Reply to: Is the whole country now run by Indians or what?

[zoco]

And was it stitches or flesh?

It was flesh but they've opted not to put any more stitches in and she's been sent home on a course of antibiotics as a preventative measure.

[NotAllThere]

By the way, for the sake of fairness and balance I think I should add that my missus was seen by her original consultant's stand in. Who was Indian, comoetent and thoroughly charming.

Wish I had some like that on my team

And was it stitches or flesh?

[evilagent]

He wants someone competent in what routinely will be a life & death situation, If the hospital are unable to supply that then they need to up their rates or improve their recruitment and retaining process. this is not the patients fault or within their control.

Hiring some agent, support or telesales person that can't actually speak intelligibly because they are cheaper is annoying but a sign of the times. A medical professional who can't do so is potentially lethal.

totally, completely, absolutely, whole-heartedly, agree.
having someone who understands the language, culture, technology, making pertinent decisions, will come at a cost most profit-driven medico-corps are not willing to pay in terms of the developed-world wages.

If a client asked you to come back on-site to fix a business-critical situation, what would you charge?
Double, or triple rates?
We are the self-absorbed creators of our own demise.

[vetran]

W T F do you expect you retard???
All the normal "9-5" nurses are at home, wanting a personal life.
You want "white" "british" "english-speaking" nurses at 11pm?? pay the f-ucking triple rate!!!

(hope the invalid gets better!)

He wants someone competent in what routinely will be a life & death situation, If the hospital are unable to supply that then they need to up their rates or improve their recruitment and retaining process. this is not the patients fault or within their control.

Hiring some agent, support or telesales person that can't actually speak intelligibly because they are cheaper is annoying but a sign of the times. A medical professional who can't do so is potentially lethal.

[evilagent]

My wife has just had an operation done privately and is now at home convalescing.

In the early hours of the morning, she rolled over and pulled on one of the stitches. result - claret everywhere.

I got her into the bathroom, cleaned it all up and stemmed the bloodflow. The concern was possibility of infection & we couldn't see what had actually torn -whether it was a stitch or it was actually flesh that had ripped becasue it was too manky to see clearly.

So, I rang the emergency number that the clinic gave me to call in the event of complications out of hours and found myself talking to an Indian nurse (maybe not Indian, but definitely from the subcontinent). I spent the next 10 minutes struggling to make myself understood while listening to the kind of BS platitudes I'm used to hearing from a bob in a morning scrum when I'm enquiring as to whether or not they are on schedule with their workload.

"No problem sir, is dissolvable stitches sir, no problem if breaks. very good stitches, very good"

"But we're not sure it was a stitch that tore, we're worried it was flesh"

"No, no, no sir no problem. Stitch never tear - is dissolvable stitches. If not bleeding now no problem sir, very good stitches" etc etc....


Anyway, I called outpatients at 8am, spoke to somebody who knows what they are talking about and am now sat waiting for my wife who is with the consultant who wanted to see her urgently

W T F do you expect you retard???
All the normal "9-5" nurses are at home, wanting a personal life.
You want "white" "british" "english-speaking" nurses at 11pm?? pay the f-ucking triple rate!!!

(hope the invalid gets better!)

[SpontaneousOrder]

Obviously the market is very distorted from what you'd see naturally, so odd contrasts should be expected.
I expect that as the nhs crumbles, private care will get better (in real terms - not relatively). Probably take a while though.

[zoco]

By the way, for the sake of fairness and balance I think I should add that my missus was seen by her original consultant's stand in. Who was Indian, comoetent and thoroughly charming.

Wish I had some like that on my team

[BrilloPad]

Don't smoke, eat healthy, exercise and above all never go near a hospital.

4 rules to a long life.

Exercise stuffed my knee - I needed an operation to walk again.

[BrilloPad]

The NHS is used to clearing up private hospital messes.

If you go private and end up in intensive care you get moved to NHS.

Plenty of cases of operations going wrong and due to lack of staff (especially overnight) a bad situation becomes far worse.

Best to get a private bed in an NHS hospital.

[minestrone]

Don't smoke, eat healthy, exercise and above all never go near a hospital.

4 rules to a long life.

[vetran]

Interestingly enough France which spends 17% more than the UK as a percentage (France $4,118, UK $3,405) has over twice as many hospital beds (France 6.37, UK 2.95) per 1000 people.

List of countries by hospital beds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

feedback I have had from people who have lived in both countries during their lives the French system seems superior for general care.

[vetran]

Surely all this is because the native british are asking a lot more money to work night shifts or some shifts which start in evening. They have to filled in somehow and somebody desperate for a job will take it and most often it is an immigrant to this country desperate to build his/her life.

FTFY

[SueEllen]

Surely all this is because the native british are refusing to work night shifts or some shifts which start in evening. They have to filled in somehow and somebody desperate for a job will take it and most often it is an immigrant to this country desperate to build his/her life.

Yes.

Another reason they can't get away with it is people would point out what Old Greg noticed, and that the NHS has been warned about being discriminatory.

[fullyautomatix]

Surely all this is because the native british are refusing to work night shifts or some shifts which start in evening. They have to filled in somehow and somebody desperate for a job will take it and most often it is an immigrant to this country desperate to build his/her life.

[SueEllen]

My experience - and it was a few years ago - was that this was British born (or very long-term) Afro-Caribbean immigrant nurses. Not sure why, but it just stood out. Not sure what you're saying beyond that, as night only nurses were seen as a godsend to other staff who didn't want to work night shifts.

Nurses normally do 12 hours shifts that depending on the department can start any time in the day. That way the hospital can comply with the working time directive, save money by avoiding hiring agency (bank) nurses by stretching nursing coverage out to the minimum and can pretend to comply with ensuring staff get adequate experience.