Reply to: World war 3 now imminent

[NotAllThere]

I think I'll lock the thread now, until the Ukraine Thread is over.

[agentzero]

That's his 'red line' which he's prepared to 'demilitarize' them over:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56720589

He offered them terms yesterday including becoming neutral, which apparently Zelensky is taking seriously...

The Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, didn't use just those words in his speech today. He stated that Russia was "demilitarizing and de-nazifying Ukraine". Why did you miss the last phrase out of your post? As a percentage of the population, Russia has some of the most pro nazi, neo nazi supporters in Europe, who are directly linked with the far right wing in Russia, often paid for by the state. They fund all types of opposition and groups to ensure chaos reigns within Russia, then they can control the size of each group and the type of chaos.

NATO is not invading Ukraine. Ukraine is a democratic country and has been for decades. That land is not Russian or Russia's to just take as and when it pleases. NATO being on Russia's border is a ridiculous thing to highlight, because NATO doesn't invade countries. In this instance, if Russia invade existing members try to recreate the USSR further, NATO forces will very likely have to get involved in Ukraine too.

As for Putin's ever changing "red lines", they change every year, every decade. If you take the time to read his essay from last year you will see how what he suggests is crazy, effectively stating that "The Ukraine is Russian and belongs to Russia, they are one and the same."

Do you personally recognise Ukraine as a democratic country that has the right to choose as it wishes, as with any other democratic country?

Do you personally recognise that Ukraine's democracy is being destroyed by a huge country aggressor that is stating that they are denazifying the country, despite nazis not being in control, no nazi party in existence there, therefore it being a very poor justification and, as we say here, fake?

[Jog On]

Yes, yes, we know you're an apologists for Putin and believe everything published by RT. Meanwhile, here's a long time critic.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-698594

Do you like the idea of our side aggressing against a nuclear superpower, surrounding and encircling them until they start pushing us back at the expense of their neighbour who we're using to try and check mate them? This is the same side that that have completely destroyed at 4 Middle eastern countries based on lies told by corrupt politicians at the behest of big oil and weapons manufacturers? Call me what you want but at least I'm not an apologist for that.

[NotAllThere]

Yes, yes, we know you're an apologists for Putin and believe everything published by RT. Meanwhile, here's a long time critic.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-698594

[Jog On]

I see. So to prevent a NATO state on their borders, Russia invades Ukraine to have two NATO states on its border. Fantastic thinking there from Jog On. And of course, it's all the nasty West's fault for scaring poor 'ol "wouldn't hurt a fly" Putin.

That's his 'red line' which he's prepared to 'demilitarize' them over:

Let's imagine Ukraine is a Nato member and starts these military operations. Are we supposed to go to war with the Nato bloc? Has anyone given that any thought? Apparently not - Vladimir Putin
Russian President

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56720589

He offered them terms yesterday including becoming neutral, which apparently Zelensky is taking seriously...

[NotAllThere]

This is caused by the US/UK stuffing Ukraine with weapons with a view to advancing NATO right up to Russia's borders. Putin asked for assurances that Ukraine won't join NATO and we refused, the East/West border situation started escalating (who'd behind that? - choose according to your world view) ignoring the Minsk agreement and here we are...

we started this, now Russia are going to finish it. Oh and we can all enjoy much higher gas and petrol prices thanks to our dear leaders who you think give a tulip about you - bless...

I see. So to prevent a NATO state on their borders, Russia invades Ukraine to have two NATO states on its border. Fantastic thinking there from Putin Fanboy, Jog On. And of course, it's all the nasty West's fault for scaring poor 'ol "wouldn't hurt a fly" Putin.

An elderly woman took on one of the invaders.

You’re occupants, you’re fascists! What the f*** are you doing on our land with all these guns? Take these seeds and put them in your pockets, so at least sunflowers will grow when you all lie down here... Guys, guys, put the sunflower seeds in your pockets, please. You will lie down here with the seeds. You came to my land. Do you understand? You are occupiers. You are enemies.

[Jog On]

Oh look. Jog on got it utterly wrong.

This is caused by the US/UK stuffing Ukraine with weapons with a view to advancing NATO right up to Russia's borders. Putin asked for assurances that Ukraine won't join NATO and we refused, the East/West border situation started escalating (who'd behind that? - choose according to your world view) ignoring the Minsk agreement and here we are...

we started this, now Russia are going to finish it. Oh and we can all enjoy much higher gas and petrol prices thanks to our dear leaders who you think give a tulip about you - bless...

[agentzero]

Oh look. Jog on got it utterly wrong.

Jog On is one of those alt right conspiracy idiots. You can easily come to this conclusion once you realise they have the typical reliance on cryptocurrency and alt right 'news' outlets, not really news at all, that have shaped a very warped wrong world vision. Too much crypto, too many visions. The same happened to ScooterScot but to a different conclusion.

Other candidates for paranoia, which often leads to a worsening state of mind, is Gigibronz, whose ramblings are often worrying.

_V_ often seems on the edge of this alt right precipice, but it could be a joke and they are actually still sane.

[NotAllThere]

Are you going to start banning posters for posting conspiracy theories from RT?

It's a possibility.

[SueEllen]

Oh look. Jog on got it utterly wrong.

Are you going to start banning posters for posting conspiracy theories from RT?

[d000hg]

You can tell it's really kicking off* now because the entire crypto market crashed. Clearly time to invest on that falling dagger.

*or it's Thursday.

[NotAllThere]

Putin isn't pushing this it's Biden/Boris trying to push it and failing. Why would Russia invade Ukraine and why now?

Oh look. Jog on got it utterly wrong.

[SueEllen]

Don't panic...

Just as I was thinking it was quicker to cycle, a cyclist appeared weaving in and out of traffic.

[Paddy]

Don't panic...

[DoctorStrangelove]