Giant Umbrella furlough scheme for present Covid-19 situation

[Wary]

Giant group solutions limited has decided for now not to pay the 80% furlough for the second lockdown for contractors using the umbrella solution.

They are presently expected if operating the scheme to fund employer’s National Insurance (13.8%), employer’s pension contributions (4% of basic pay) and the apprenticeship levy (0.5%) on any furlough payments made.

Are other giant contractors interested in petitioning giant group limited in a professional manner over this decision?

Please contact me ASAP if this is the case!

C

I was with Contractor Umbrella and I didn't receive any furlough money whatsoever even though I was eligible. So if Giant got you something during the first lockdown despite the cost & inconvenience to themselves, then that's not bad.

[eek]

Is it sarcastic morning?

I am pointing out the reasons why companies aren't doing this and providing information - whereby you are providing sarcastic comments with no content or relevant information?

Because if you had read the thread you would have seen that I had already made your point and I don't claim to be a guru on anything.

You are posting on a forum where some of the posters know more about the workings of the umbrella industry than a lot of workers within it (why do you think those umbrella firms pay for "Gurus").

The simple fact is that in the early days a few umbrella firms (Orca) did furlough people but it was hard enough to do it when it was a manual process for which the umbrella firm couldn't charge a fee and became impossible when the umbrella company was expected to pay / contribute towards the NI side of things.

[psychocandy]

So how are Giant supposed to fund:

employer’s National Insurance (13.8%),
employer’s pension contributions (4% of basic pay)
and the apprenticeship levy (0.5%)

given the way their business model works.

Exactly - where do they get the money from?

[UmbrellaellaGuru]

Is it drunk night ?


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Is it sarcastic morning?

I am pointing out the reasons why companies aren't doing this and providing information - whereby you are providing sarcastic comments with no content or relevant information?

[GhostofTarbera]

Hello!

Just to let you know all Umbrella companies would have to fund the Apprenticeship levy - as this amount is based on the annual turnover - YES furlough counts as turnover!

They would also have to fund Employers NI.

Bear in mind FURLOUGH is a VOLUNTEER scheme no employer is obligated!

I work with many umbrella companies and none of them are doing it ( I work as a consultant for umbrellas)

It is posts like this that are causing unnecessary hardship for staff of these companies. As a contractor (who I do use an umbrella myself) I understand these things happen we all know we are going through umbrella companies to manage payroll and for IR35.

If you want to petition petition the government for not taking care of you not these companies.

Is it drunk night ?


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[UmbrellaellaGuru]

Umbrella

Hello!

Just to let you know all Umbrella companies would have to fund the Apprenticeship levy - as this amount is based on the annual turnover - YES furlough counts as turnover!

They would also have to fund Employers NI.

Bear in mind FURLOUGH is a VOLUNTEER scheme no employer is obligated!

I work with many umbrella companies and none of them are doing it ( I work as a consultant for umbrellas)

It is posts like this that are causing unnecessary hardship for staff of these companies. As a contractor (who I do use an umbrella myself) I understand these things happen we all know we are going through umbrella companies to manage payroll and for IR35.

If you want to petition petition the government for not taking care of you not these companies.

[WTFH]

This must mean that the government dosent want anyone to be employed. Hmmn who will be left to pay all the taxes, the civil service staff?

Interesting conclusion based on nothing.

Anyway, you've got that the wrong way round. They want the proles to be employed and paying lots of taxes, and the government supporters to use "furlough" as a way of getting income.

[ascender]

Long story short you are an employee when it suits the government and self employed when it doesn't.

That's the situation many of us find ourselves in now though. We no longer get the benefits of being self-employed, nor those of being employed, so we're in a kind of limbo.

[Beiberbuffet]

Long story short you are an employee when it suits the government and self employed when it doesn't.

This must mean that the government dosent want anyone to be employed. Hmmn who will be left to pay all the taxes, the civil service staff?

[SussexSeagull]

Long story short you are an employee when it suits the government and self employed when it doesn't.

[Beiberbuffet]

So how are Giant supposed to fund:

employer’s National Insurance (13.8%),
employer’s pension contributions (4% of basic pay)
and the apprenticeship levy (0.5%)

given the way their business model works.

More to the point why is Giant having to pay an apprenticeship levy of 0.5% for this furlough scheme I’m looking through HMRC’s guidance and it dosent seem to be mentioned that this is a must be done part of the furlough scheme.

So there we go as usual can’t get something we are told we are entitled to as a contractor.

The other question technically the umbrella arrangement classes you as an employee so dosent this mean that technically you could qualify for redundancy pay despite you having been furloughed or does furlough disqualify this? More to the point how can giant pay for that?

[northernladuk]

I wonder what the might FCSA says about this and what their conduct rules say about it.

EDIT : Oh hang on. Policy is created by the big umbrellas that run it so whatever FCSA decides it will only be selfserving for the brollys and won't give a crap about the contractor.

[Drei]

PayStream did the same thing, been out of work since July, the only money I am getting is £450 a month from my old LTD company.

[eek]

Giant group solutions limited has decided for now not to pay the 80% furlough for the second lockdown for contractors using the umbrella solution.

They are presently expected if operating the scheme to fund employer’s National Insurance (13.8%), employer’s pension contributions (4% of basic pay) and the apprenticeship levy (0.5%) on any furlough payments made.

Are other giant contractors interested in petitioning giant group limited in a professional manner over this decision?

Please contact me ASAP if this is the case!

C

So how are Giant supposed to fund:

employer’s National Insurance (13.8%),
employer’s pension contributions (4% of basic pay)
and the apprenticeship levy (0.5%)

given the way their business model works.

[Beiberbuffet]

Giant group solutions limited has decided for now not to pay the 80% furlough for the second lockdown for contractors using the umbrella solution.

They are presently expected if operating the scheme to fund employer’s National Insurance (13.8%), employer’s pension contributions (4% of basic pay) and the apprenticeship levy (0.5%) on any furlough payments made.

Are other giant contractors interested in petitioning giant group limited in a professional manner over this decision?

Please contact me ASAP if this is the case!

C