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My last contract stated that pretty much and I had no issues, it was purely for IR35. I'd just have a quick chat with them directly to check any concerns. Just make sure you have a reasonable break clause to leave should there be a problem.
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My contracts don't specify work hours at all, because generally it's not my clients concern. I do always work direct though and mostly remotely.
As far as billing goes, I use my own judgement. I define a day as about 8 hours. If I feel like I've delivered a days worth of value to the client, even if it's only 6-7 hours, I will bill a full day. Conversely, if I feel like I've only done half a days work, maybe because I needed some time for other work, or couldn't be available all day, then I will charge half a day. Never had any complaints and clients are always welcome to a time tracking report if they want one.
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Lets face it a professional working day isn't there so you can do less hours than normal, it's the other way round, companies use a "professional working day" as a way to get their employees to work long hours.
The idea is they pile the work on and you can't go home simply because you've been there 8 hours. You stay until you have completed your work.
As others have said it might be more of a benign "normal working day" where they only expect a 40 hour week with longer hours some days to get the work done.
Personally as a contractor I wouldn't do much more than 8 hour days on average.Last edited by BlasterBates; 8 March 2014, 13:51.
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Originally posted by psychocandy View PostI think this one has been done to death. Yes thats the problem - some clients will take the piss or try to.
I think general agreement is work what you see as fit.
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My current contract just says "day". No mention of times, hours, or PWD.
As a bum-in-seat contractor who gets paid a day rate, I stick to 7.5 hours per day on average.
If I were on a fixed price contract, it would be a different matter.
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Originally posted by kaiser78 View PostSo in a previous role the contract stated 'contracted hours are 9-5.30 or similar', so I know how the 'standard day' expected is 8.5hrs per day. Isn't it better to have something same or similar included, so that the expectation isn't then say 10 days per day ?
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Originally posted by kaiser78 View PostSo in a previous role the contract stated 'contracted hours are 9-5.30 or similar', so I know how the 'standard day' expected is 8.5hrs per day. Isn't it better to have something same or similar included, so that the expectation isn't then say 10 days per day ?
I think general agreement is work what you see as fit.
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My current contract states Normal Working Day.....and then goes on to say this is calculated as 1-4hrs = 0.5 rate, 5+hrs = full rate
According to the permies here, they are expected to do a 7.25hr day.....I tend to do between 7 & 8hrs most days, but bu%^er off early on Friday (yayy, that's today!)
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So in a previous role the contract stated 'contracted hours are 9-5.30 or similar', so I know how the 'standard day' expected is 8.5hrs per day. Isn't it better to have something same or similar included, so that the expectation isn't then say 10 days per day ?
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Originally posted by kaiser78 View PostI am reviewing a contract for a new role. This does not state standard prof working duration or hours to be worked daily, agent saying this has been done as an IR35 friendly factor.
I have not come across this before - a 'standard' pwd could be 8 hours or 10 hours or 12 hours for instance.
Should I request that this is included in the contract ?
A Professional Working Day is where if you do any productive work for the client in any 24 hour period they get charged a set fee: the trick is to get your work done in whatever you consider to be a sensible time but if you go over that, that's your problem. On the other hand, I've charged a day for four hours' work before now.
If you define hours, it's no longer a Professional Working Day, it's an hourly rate contract with no overtime agreement...
It is, however, nothing to do with IR35 directly, unless they insist you work a set number of hours a day, which they can't if the working day is not defined.
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Contract Not Stating Prof Working Day
I am reviewing a contract for a new role. This does not state standard prof working duration or hours to be worked daily, agent saying this has been done as an IR35 friendly factor.
I have not come across this before - a 'standard' pwd could be 8 hours or 10 hours or 12 hours for instance.
Should I request that this is included in the contract ?Tags: None
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