Reply to: have you got any holidays planned?

[flipFlop]

and of course, if said contractor gets the gig and takes two weeks off thats two weeks the agency aren't getting their margin.

Bless. There is no gig.

If there were a gig then the agent would be placing the candidate for immediate income, not interrogating them about their future holiday plans.

[psychocandy]

I don't think it is that at all. I think they use it as a differentiator to improve their chances. If they have two identical candidates and one will go on holiday for 2 weeks in the same month they join there is a chance the client will turn this down as it is a whole month wasted really. Agent will then put the guy forward with no holidays.

and of course, if said contractor gets the gig and takes two weeks off thats two weeks the agency aren't getting their margin.

[flipFlop]

Why do agencies ask this question before putting fwd your resume to the client?

Does it make any difference to one landing the contract?

It is another hairdressers' question. The agent is just trying to look busy in the office.

There is no contract.

[northernladuk]

The agents think that they can trick candidates into feeling that they will be more in-demand for this red-hot contract should the candidate have "no holidays planned".

But, let's face it, there is no job or client in the first place.

If there were, the agents would not engage in this asinine dialogue.

I don't think it is that at all. I think they use it as a differentiator to improve their chances. If they have two identical candidates and one will go on holiday for 2 weeks in the same month they join there is a chance the client will turn this down as it is a whole month wasted really. Agent will then put the guy forward with no holidays.

[flipFlop]

Why do agencies ask this question before putting fwd your resume to the client?

Does it make any difference to one landing the contract?

The agents think that they can trick candidates into feeling that they will be more in-demand for this red-hot contract should the candidate have "no holidays planned".

But, let's face it, there is no job or client in the first place.

If there were, the agents would not engage in this asinine dialogue.

[ladymuck]

I can't recall the last time an agent asked me what I was currently earning, or what I'd earned in the past. I get asked what rate I want, and then negotiate - what I currently earn (or have earned in the past) has no relevance to what I will earn in the future.

I also object to the term "discounted rate" - that implies that you have a standard rate that you then (nearly) always knock some money off. I price each role on an individual basis, since no two are the same.

Ditto that. I am sad enough to have a formula that calculates the minimum I need to cover my cost of living plus contributions to the war chest. I then add onto that, what it will cost me to deliver the contract (travel, hotels, etc). I then look at what the project is, the industry, an idea of how much work it'll actually be and then add all that on to become the "what I want you to pay me" figure. I seem to be working a bit on the cheap side as I've never been negotiated down but I'm happy with what I get and I don't give a monkey's what anyone else charges for their work.

[ladymuck]

Well that was a let down

I saw the title of this thread and thought "Woohoo! More people I haven't bored to tears with my holiday plans" and then realised this was in the proper discussion section for discussing proper things.

If I have a holiday planned that impacts the start date of a contract, I let the agency know. Usually, I find it takes everyone so long to sort the paperwork that a couple of weeks off will not cause any issues as long as you're prepared to check your emails and do all the usual pointless stuff of proving you're a Ltd Co and VAT registered (grrrr).

If it's going to be a mid-contract break, I tell the client of the dates I won't be available as soon as I've wowed them with my brilliance and they're convinced they need me in their life. I would never intentionally plan a break when there's a key deliverable due but sometimes that can't be helped.

The first point is generally moot as I have been lucky enough to get all my work for the past 5 years through recommendation rather than pimping myself out to the highest bidder. The clients are usually happy to wait for me to become available, if it's not an unreasonable length of time, and I've often found the lead time is well used by them to ensure a smooth start.

[TheFaQQer]

In the past I have not lied to agents but then found that the truth was being used against me. Every time they ask what rate did you get on your last gig, I will quote to them the maximum contracting rate I have earned in my life, even if it was elsewhere. Never tell them if you have worked for a discounted rate, as they will work your negotiations from there. Get them to start from your max rate and work down.

I can't recall the last time an agent asked me what I was currently earning, or what I'd earned in the past. I get asked what rate I want, and then negotiate - what I currently earn (or have earned in the past) has no relevance to what I will earn in the future.

I also object to the term "discounted rate" - that implies that you have a standard rate that you then (nearly) always knock some money off. I price each role on an individual basis, since no two are the same.

[d000hg]

In the past I have not lied to agents but then found that the truth was being used against me. Every time they ask what rate did you get on your last gig, I will quote to them the maximum contracting rate I have earned in my life, even if it was elsewhere. Never tell them if you have worked for a discounted rate, as they will work your negotiations from there. Get them to start from your max rate and work down.

Or you could just learn how to negotiate. You're telling the agent what you want to charge, not taking a permie role.

[psychocandy]

In the past I have not lied to agents but then found that the truth was being used against me. Every time they ask what rate did you get on your last gig, I will quote to them the maximum contracting rate I have earned in my life, even if it was elsewhere. Never tell them if you have worked for a discounted rate, as they will work your negotiations from there. Get them to start from your max rate and work down.

Not sure if that always works unless, of course maximising income is your only motivation and you're in the lucky position of getting lots of contract offers.

Doing this may just price you out of the deal. I tend to take into consideration things like location, length of contract. For instance, I'd much rather take a contract 20 mins drive away for 6 months for £100 less than one over an hour away for 3 months.

[masonryan]

To me, even lying to an agent is still lying.

In the past I have not lied to agents but then found that the truth was being used against me. Every time they ask what rate did you get on your last gig, I will quote to them the maximum contracting rate I have earned in my life, even if it was elsewhere. Never tell them if you have worked for a discounted rate, as they will work your negotiations from there. Get them to start from your max rate and work down.

[d000hg]

My answer is no, if I have any holiday booked I always bring it up at the end of the interview to the client now.

The agent gets a No, the client gets to know at the interview.

To me, even lying to an agent is still lying.

[flipFlop]

Why do agencies ask this question before putting fwd your resume to the client?

Does it make any difference to one landing the contract?

The client had told the agent to ask it. Neither one of them knows why.

No, whether or not you have holidays planned makes no difference to your landing "the" contract.

[TheFaQQer]

So the agency has decided to reduce your rate mid contract? --- Big Red Flag -- Is this an across the board cut or am I misinterpreting your post?

I don't see any discussion of a rate reduction.

[TheFaQQer]

I've told an agency, who are trying to get me to sign a 3-month extension, that due to rate being lower that if I accept the extension I might take more holidays compared to if I was on a higher rate as it's cheaper for me to do so as I lose less money. In response, the treacherous agency has put a clause in the extension offer stating that I can only take a maximum of 2 weeks within the contract off. I am enquiring with them how this would work and thinking of getting legal advice about this. I mean, what if I'm ill for 2 weeks, then can't make it in for a day after that, does the contract get cancelled? Would I be in breach of contract?

No, the contract wouldn't get cancelled. You would be in breach of contract and if the agency wanted, they could sue for damages.

Tell them to take the clause out. The danger is that your attitude just means that they tell you to do one and you won;t get anything. That's the problem with acting in an unprofessional manner - people stop wanting to work with you.