Reply to: Three month NHS gig

[d000hg]

Yes he is contractor specialist.

If this is true then no body in their right mind will take any NHS contract paying more then 200 pd isn't it ?!.. Mad!!

I would if rates were high enough to offset the risk

Exactly... simply take the fact you are under IR35 into account when figuring out what rate you want. If they won't pay it, work elsewhere.

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Agree with BB () - public sector contractors are now to HMR&C what a herd of wildebeests is to a lion

[BolshieBastard]

I would if rates were high enough to offset the risk, but from what I see NHS rates are dropping. I got a call today from an agent with an urgent requirement for for 5 PMs with NHS experience paying an almighty £250/day.

Needless to say I politely declined.

IMO, it wouldnt offset the risk because once you've raised your head above the hmrc twat's parapet, you'll be in their sights.

In any event, unless you have a very niche skillset, you wont get a big enough rate as you have recently discovered. Hence, why im turning down any agent request regarding these contacts.

Just my opinion though.

[acontractor]

No it's not. It is with the client in these cases.
Some Departments and PS clients are implementing the £220pd and 6 months from .... others are waiting until you are up for renewal and will ask for proof of scoring via hmrc's test or similar assessment.

Is that also where contract length is six months or more?

[BolshieBastard]

Each contract is judged separately so this should not be an issue.

No it's not. It is with the client in these cases.

Just spoken to my solicitor and he has advised that if you are getting 220 pd or more then weather or not you work for six months, you still be subject to scrutiny from HMRC.

Not quite correct as I understand it.

Some Departments and PS clients are implementing the £220pd and 6 months from day one, others are waiting until you are up for renewal and will ask for proof of scoring via hmrc's test or similar assessment.

One insurance provider here reckons they have a product to cover this eventuality but Im far from convinced some of their products are worth the paper they are written on.

IMO, taking a public sector contract just isnt worth the risk of hmrc intervention at some point in the contract whether the contract be 3 months or 6 months. So, Im telling any agent who contacts me about such roles that Im not interested due to HMG's \ hmrc's 'off payroll' nonsense.

But, you pays yer money..........................

[bluetoaster]

You could have offered to do all 5 for them for £1k a day so saving the project money and providing a better service.

I didn't think of that. Though they are looking for people to work on different sites for NHS commissioning projects across the midlands so that wouldn't work. The NHS isn't my cup of tea tbh and despite having NHS experience I would still rather avoid it.

[northernladuk]

I would if rates were high enough to offset the risk, but from what I see NHS rates are dropping. I got a call today from an agent with an urgent requirement for for 5 PMs with NHS experience paying an almighty £250/day.

Needless to say I politely declined.

You could have offered to do all 5 for them for £1k a day so saving the project money and providing a better service.

[bluetoaster]

If this is true then no body in their right mind will take any NHS contract paying more then 200 pd isn't it ?!.. Mad!!

I would if rates were high enough to offset the risk, but from what I see NHS rates are dropping. I got a call today from an agent with an urgent requirement for for 5 PMs with NHS experience paying an almighty £250/day.

Needless to say I politely declined.

[BA to the Stars]

no body in their right mind will take any NHS contract paying more then 200 pd isn't it ?!.. Mad!!

Have you met my Indian friend Bob?

[acontractor]

Is he a contractor specialist? You may be better discussing with PCG if you are a member (& before Mal gets in, if not, why not).

Yes he is contractor specialist.

If this is true then no body in their right mind will take any NHS contract paying more then 200 pd isn't it ?!.. Mad!!

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

There's a couple of bits in here https://update.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/...Appointees.pdf which would seem to suggest that the 6 months applies to the time spent under the jurisdiction of a particular department within the public sector

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Just spoken to my solicitor and he has advised that if you are getting 220 pd or more then weather or not you work for six months, you still be subject to scrutiny from HMRC.

Whether

[BA to the Stars]

Just spoken to my solicitor and he has advised that if you are getting 220 pd or more then weather or not you work for six months, you still be subject to scrutiny from HMRC.

Is he a contractor specialist? You may be better discussing with PCG if you are a member (& before Mal gets in, if not, why not).

[acontractor]

Just spoken to my solicitor and he has advised that if you are getting 220 pd or more then weather or not you work for six months, you still be subject to scrutiny from HMRC.

[MyUserName]

Each contract is judged separately so this should not be an issue.