Reply to: Why clients don't care about IR35

[malvolio]

another for banning mobile and laptops (unless you DONT have a camera on your mobile).

My last client (top 50 company) would not allow me to use a laptop at all, which worried me at first, as I always try and use my own tools to avoid the permie pretending to be a contractor trap.

I've actually found this standard in banking, maybe I've picked the wrong banks!

That's more to do with knowing what's on their infrastructure and what's connecting to it. Banks have to meet a control regime (no, not SOX!) that's almost as rigid as the military and one option to limit risk is to use all their own-built kit.

Come to that, so do I. Only things built by my support group are allowed on to this client's infrastructure...

[Gary_Jones]

another for banning mobile and laptops (unless you DONT have a camera on your mobile).

My last client (top 50 company) would not allow me to use a laptop at all, which worried me at first, as I always try and use my own tools to avoid the permie pretending to be a contractor trap.

I've actually found this standard in banking, maybe I've picked the wrong banks!

[NickFitz]

Assuming that the OP works for Mi5 to make your case is a little stretch don't you think?

Doesn't have to be MI5. I had a gig a few years ago at a company that made security systems; similar rules applied there.

[expat]

really?

I was told I could take my in if it didn't have a camera (which it doesn't). This was a visitor, not an employee

tim

I still have an old phone with no camera, which has served me the same way. Not so easy to find now, ISTM.

[tim123]

Ever worked for the MOD? Don't see too many phones in secure environments.

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really?

I was told I could take my in if it didn't have a camera (which it doesn't). This was a visitor, not an employee

tim

[malvolio]

Assuming that the OP works for Mi5 to make your case is a little stretch don't you think?

Not at all. I was challenging the blithe assertion that because a client doesn't allow mobiles at the workplace they must be some kind of neo-luddite paranoid. What's the opposite of reductio ad absurdam?

[oracleslave]

Still stands. MI5's people have mobiles - but you don't think they route through Orange or 3Mobile do you?

Similarly an MOD laptop is not a laptop, it's a mobile workstaion with the same network limitations as a proper secure desktop PC.

Fings what look like ducks ain't necessarily ducks you know...

Assuming that the OP works for Mi5 to make your case is a little stretch don't you think?

[malvolio]

Whilst this is all true he said only personal mobiles were banned giving the impression that work mobiles, blackberry's, PDA's etc that have been handed out to the permies had not. At least that's the way I read it.

Still stands. MI5's people have mobiles - but you don't think they route through Orange or 3Mobile do you?

Similarly an MOD laptop is not a laptop, it's a mobile workstaion with the same network limitations as a proper secure desktop PC.

Fings what look like ducks ain't necessarily ducks you know...

[expat]

There's a bigger world out there than some can imagine...

I can imagine these place but I wouldn't work there, because I value my freedom.

Question still stands, was it stated in advance?

[oracleslave]

Ever worked for the MOD? Don't see too many phones in secure environments.

Ever been to Thames House, or their friends over the river in Victoria? They take them off you at the door (and your PDA and laptop come to that)

There are some trading floors that ban them and more than a few call centres, since everything has to be recorded (or at least, recordable).

There's a bigger world out there than some can imagine...

Whilst this is all true he said only personal mobiles were banned giving the impression that work mobiles, blackberry's, PDA's etc that have been handed out to the permies had not. At least that's the way I read it.

[malvolio]

Sounds like a great work environment which will attract the very best.

Ever worked for the MOD? Don't see too many phones in secure environments.

Ever been to Thames House, or their friends over the river in Victoria? They take them off you at the door (and your PDA and laptop come to that)

There are some trading floors that ban them and more than a few call centres, since everything has to be recorded (or at least, recordable).

There's a bigger world out there than some can imagine...

[DieScum]

Where the hell is that? Do they want only serfs?

Sounds like a great work environment which will attract the very best.

[oracleslave]

Where the hell is that? Do they want only serfs? Can you go to the toilet without asking?

Was it stated as a condition in advance?

whs. Sounds stupid to me.

[expat]

It's banned here. Using a personal mobile during normal working hours that is.

Where the hell is that? Do they want only serfs? Can you go to the toilet without asking?

Was it stated as a condition in advance?

[NickNick]

Why did your using your phone annoy him?

It's banned here. Using a personal mobile during normal working hours that is.