IR35 - close your eyes and make it disappear

[Euro-commuter]

[DENNY] That would make him an EB, of course...[/DENNY]

Well, no. If an electrical contracting company takes on subcontracting electricians ("subbies"), that doesn't make them an EB. And it doesn't make the subbies come under IR35.

But the critical thing there is that the subbies do (sub-)contract to the electrical contracting company, not to the client. So the elec Co is not an intermediary.

OTOH they are not subject to control, in the sense that nobody tells them how to wire something up (they have to know that already), just what to wire up. So no IR35.

I''m still struggling to see the difference with us, except that our agencies/EBs manage not to take responsibility for anything, but still stick themselves in the way.

Hmm, on second thoughts I suppose the disciples were subject to a substantial amount of control, so maybe they were disguised employees.

[Burdock]

He was a shareholder actually (father, son and HG were one of the same) and probably took salary and tax free divis. That's what the tax inspector was there for to give the 'official view' on what was acceptable.

When Jesus prayed to his heavenly father, was his father acting as an MSC (My Son Christ) because he benefitted on an ongoing basis from bestowing special powers on his son to heal and teach?

Christ, Denny

We are talking back payments going back at least 2,000 years!!
Hope he had insurance.

[Denny]

Jesus was clearly an employee (of God), using PAYE

(Pray as you Earn).

He was a shareholder actually (father, son and HG were one of the same) and probably took salary and tax free divis. That's what the tax inspector was there for to give the 'official view' on what was acceptable.

When Jesus prayed to his heavenly father, was his father acting as an MSC (My Son Christ) because he benefitted on an ongoing basis from bestowing special powers on his son to heal and teach?

[cojak]

He was a Contractor (which is what agents are). They were Sub-contractors (which is what we are).

[DENNY] That would make him an EB, of course...[/DENNY]

[Euro-commuter]

I reckon Jesus would have a big problem claiming to be a contractor whilst he had 12 'employees' on the books. Wasn't one of he disciples a tax inspector? Surely he would have given Big J some advice.

He was a Contractor (which is what agents are). They were Sub-contractors (which is what we are).

Peter should of course have had a CIS card.

[Kyajae]

Jesus was clearly an employee (of God), using PAYE

(Pray as you Earn).

[Burdock]

Jesus was clearly an employee (of God), using PAYE

(Pray as you Earn).

[Kyajae]

Worse - he told them to become 'Fishers of Men'. Sounds like agents to me.

[Old Greg]

I reckon Jesus would have a big problem claiming to be a contractor whilst he had 12 'employees' on the books. Wasn't one of he disciples a tax inspector? Surely he would have given Big J some advice.

Worse - he told them to become 'Fishers of Men'. Sounds like agents to me.

[Kyajae]

Jesus would find a man possessed by demons, drive the demons into the swine from the HMRC and watch them run off a cliff. Problem solved.

I reckon Jesus would have a big problem claiming to be a contractor whilst he had 12 'employees' on the books. Wasn't one of he disciples a tax inspector? Surely he would have given Big J some advice.

[Old Greg]

Jesus would find a man possessed by demons, drive the demons into the swine from the HMRC and watch them run off a cliff. Problem solved.

[ChimpMaster]

Seriously though, what if you've been contracting out of IR35 happily for a few years and then the IR come after you with the IR35 whip? And you're not insured?

What course of action would you take?

Bankruptcy / leave the country before the investigation gains momentum / pay up (lose your house doing it) / top yourself / gun rampage at the IR?

Ask yourself - what would Jesus do?