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Agents work for the clients not the contractor, an agent makes their life easier so why would they want to engage without one?
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Originally posted by DrewG View PostIn summary, you're looking to build the same skillet as a consulting firm partner, you need to be high profile in your specific line of work.
You're about to read replies to this post from people who have never done what you want to do, calling me an idiot. I'm swimming against the tide so it's not uncommon.
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Originally posted by vwdan View Post
Fortunately they said nothing about tattoos and putting stickers on my Pagani Zonda
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Originally posted by vwdan View Post
"I spent years doing this work at a tier 2 management consultancy then a big 4 firm first though."
I'm the guy the Big 4 come to when they need help (Well okay, it happened once but I couldn't resist.)CVpresentations?
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
You say you are niche. 99% of people in contracting are not niche. You can see why your advice is no good in those cases?
My current gig is very as-described earlier in the thread - senior guy in a bank wanted me, so instructed an agency to take me on. They get a cut, but it's the only way I'm going to turn up as 1 man to an org with 50,000 people.
Oh, I did once go in direct to an aerospace/defence firm. It was a total hassle, took forever, required insane amounts of paperwork and frankly I wish I'd just let an agency take a cut. Fun to say I'm on the PSL for such a firm, though
Lets face it, even if DrewG was telling the truth, and not just LARPing his pathetic little fantasy, he'd more than understand how unique his situation is and why it doesn't apply to most people and would temper his advice accordingly. But of course, it's far more important to pretend to pretend to exist on a special plane of existence than to be helpful.
Oh Drew, just for context
"I spent years doing this work at a tier 2 management consultancy then a big 4 firm first though."
I'm the guy the Big 4 come to when they need help (Well okay, it happened once but I couldn't resist.)Last edited by vwdan; 10 July 2023, 10:09.
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Originally posted by DrewG View PostWrote a book with a respected publisher in my niche area.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
You say you are niche. 99% of people in contracting are not niche. You can see why your advice is no good in those cases?
This guy is probably a generic Java (no pun intended) dev, I've pointed at what he could do to elevate his game, it's up to him if he wants to do it or not.
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Originally posted by DrewG View Post
Anything beyond a tulip public sector inside role is considered crazy around here.
If you want advice on how to be a grizzled and grumpy staff aug contractor in a dying industry, the man above is the one to watch.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
When everyone around you is an idiot......
If you want advice on how to be a grizzled and grumpy staff aug contractor in a dying industry, the man above is the one to watch.
Last edited by DrewG; 9 July 2023, 16:47.
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Originally posted by DrewG View Post
You're about to read replies to this post from people who have never done what you want to do, calling me an idiot. I'm swimming against the tide so it's not uncommon.
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On average, I get 2 direct contracts per year. After implementation, I have kept all of them on retainer (currently 5) which I serve using offshore resources (never India) and sometimes my own involvement.- You're on the wrong forum for the work you want to do; the people here are stuck in their..... dying ways.
- It will be tough to target large clients that want to put all contractors through an agent, although this can be done if they want you badly enough for something very specific (unlikely that you have that sort of profile).
Things that worked for me:- Being super niche in a lucrative area, I spent years doing this work at a tier 2 management consultancy then a big 4 firm first though.
- Getting very close to the account execs at an ERP vendor, they invite me to their networking events and often push clients to me where I have expertise beyond their partner network (and I'm cheaper than Bain et al but with the same pedigree).
- Going deep on an industry vertical, you can't just be a Java guy, you need to be a Java guy that knows listed derivatives like the back of your hand or consumer goods demand forecasting (pick any lucrative niche).
- Wrote a book with a respected publisher in my niche area.
- Reading periodicals and other material in your vertical area.
- Speaking at industry events.
- Reading about problems (in industry periodicals) then putting together a pitch deck (yes PowerPoint despite the hate) with a solution to the problems you read about.
You're about to read replies to this post from people who have never done what you want to do, calling me an idiot. I'm swimming against the tide so it's not uncommon.
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Originally posted by javaislife View PostHi everyone.
Been a software contractor for a couple of years now, always finding work through recruitment agencies.
Since my ideal clients are larger companies, how would I go about reaching out directly on LinkedIn looking for work?
What's the best function inside the company to contact?
I'm guessing it's harder to get a call with a decision maker that doesn't know you, as agencies have established relationships etc.
Would applying for a perm role that they directly advertise and take the conversation from there bear fruit?
Any tips, stories greatly appreciated.
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I didn't get my first direct gig until after 10 years of contracting. Much of it takes time and the right contacts, some of it is blind luck, as I had gained one gig through a v small rec agency however before the start they announcing they were moving on, so I was direct with the client.
I am direct now, but again I got it through a guy I'd worked with and his mate from way back wanted someone in my field.
I do prefer going direct however it isn't always a party when getting paid as you are just another creditor who is way down the list. Saying that the (now deceased) owner of current gig actually had a policy of paying the little guy first as he remembered what it was like when he first started up and how hard it is for smaller companies for cash flow.
TL;DR. Time and luck. Lots of both.
qh
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