Reply to: Why are agents coming to me with inside IR35 roles that are in the Private Sector?

[LondonManc]

there is not going to be any travel or accommodation for a while. Even more so in technology.

Companies I know are scheduled to move back to at least two days a week in the office from September. Presenteeist managers will want their contractors in. There will therefore be travel and accommodation issues.

[AnthonyQuinn]

Yep, if it's inside you cannot put travel and accommodation expenses through so staying away from home costs are all from your take home, squeezing tax brackets.

there is not going to be any travel or accommodation for a while. Even more so in technology.

[PerfectStorm]

Nothing wrong with that if the terms are decent

[BigDataPro]

Friend of mine works at a consultancy (not agency). Many of their contracts with their clients state that all the people working for the consultancy must be employed by them and not subcontracted further.

They recently put out an advert on one of the large job sites, went for a meeting and then lunch and then had to stop it as they had then received more than a 1000 applications for a PAYE contract - in just a few hours.

Wow. Here I am thinking "my rates are low, doesn't reflect market conditions!"

[m0n1k3r]

Yes, with only 500+ applicants for each role, I'm sure they are feeling genuine pain at "limiting their catchment area".

And no, all of those 500+ won't be "indecent" contractors.

Friend of mine works at a consultancy (not agency). Many of their contracts with their clients state that all the people working for the consultancy must be employed by them and not subcontracted further.

They recently put out an advert on one of the large job sites, went for a meeting and then lunch and then had to stop it as they had then received more than a 1000 applications for a PAYE contract - in just a few hours.

[rocktronAMP]

+1 - you are no different from a permanent member of staff so travel and accommodation costs will have to be paid out of your own pocket (i.e. after tax has been paid).

The £90 premier inn hotel room that costs your company £75 will now cost you at least £150 of your daily rate.

The 45p a mile you used to claim for driving to the office is also gone...

For me basically if you want me to work on your project I'm working from home and conferencing in.

Might be time to start think looking at another country.
Maybe if Scotland gets eventually independence, then maybe the HMRC equivalent north of the border might be less brain-dead
Looks like the whole kabooble is going to implode in 2021 with Loan Charge / Finance Bill / IR35
It all appears deeply depressing.

[elsergiovolador]

Give it five years and everyone will also be working on crappy equipment as I doubt you would want to buy a new laptop out of salary to use for work.

[eek]

Yep, if it's inside you cannot put travel and accommodation expenses through so staying away from home costs are all from your take home, squeezing tax brackets.

+1 - you are no different from a permanent member of staff so travel and accommodation costs will have to be paid out of your own pocket (i.e. after tax has been paid).

The £90 premier inn hotel room that costs your company £75 will now cost you at least £150 of your daily rate.

The 45p a mile you used to claim for driving to the office is also gone...

For me basically if you want me to work on your project I'm working from home and conferencing in.

[LondonManc]

Catchment area???

Yep, if it's inside you cannot put travel and accommodation expenses through so staying away from home costs are all from your take home, squeezing tax brackets.

[AnthonyQuinn]

Good point, but they really are limiting their catchment area for decent contractors (even if it is only till next April) - which they probably don't even realise.

Catchment area???

[LondonManc]

Jesus wept - this board gets worse.

You asked the stupid question, we gave appropriate answers.


I'll break down the logic for you.
If the client has said it's inside (based on a job spec that they pulled together pre the bill being pulled) then the agent is passing this information on because, let's face it, most agents are like the Saturday staff at PC World; they're box readers.
Then, if you choose to declare it as outside and HMRC investigates, you're stuck because you were forewarned. It also saves you applying depending upon the day rate.

I know the rate that I'd need to go back contracting in London inside IR35 for example. That's a far higher percentage hike from my outside rate than it would be if it were a contract in the North West somewhere. Obviously remote gigs are a boon and can be assessed differently but you've got to consider the tax breaks.

[perplexed]

I like it.

Wooop, I spawned a meme!

That's be £2000 + VAT for rights...

[Wobblyheed]

So are you saying that you're prepared to lie and hope against an investigation?

Jesus wept - this board gets worse.

[Old Greg]

So are you saying that you're prepared to lie and hope against an investigation?

That's an irregular verb.

I take a balanced risk approach
You lie and hope against an investigation
He owes HMRC £200,000

[Old Greg]

If your reserves are running out, swallow pride, work inside. In this market, unless things improve dramatically son, anything is better than nothing.

I like it.