Reply to: Permie employment contract

[jamesbrown]

Gross misconduct usually does the job.
If an employer decides that they want to force you to serve your notice you can make it somewhat awkward for them. And they know it....

New outift for Monday mornings.....

Your gross misconduct is scootie's required dress code.

[WTFH]

Had a similarly worded offer couple of years ago. I excused myself! Doesn't suit a seasoned contractor. Most of the time you will be doing more than 40 hours a week and you can't walk away in 4 weeks.

As a “seasoned contractor”, have you ever had a contract that paid a daily rate? Did you ever precisely measure your hours to see that you never did more or less than the hours you were supposed to?

[Lilibet]

That doesn't sound like much to complain about. Have you prepared for your first day?

I'd do my homework: research the most reviewed advert with BDSM on adultwork, book it for 8 hours. Tell her/him "your wish is my command" and there is no safe word.

That should get you going for the next 3 months...

[Lance]

why not?

Gross misconduct usually does the job.
If an employer decides that they want to force you to serve your notice you can make it somewhat awkward for them. And they know it....

New outift for Monday mornings.....

[BR14]

Had a similarly worded offer couple of years ago. I excused myself! Doesn't suit a seasoned contractor. Most of the time you will be doing more than 40 hours a week and you can't walk away in 4 weeks.

why not?

[BigDataPro]

Had a similarly worded offer couple of years ago. I excused myself! Doesn't suit a seasoned contractor. Most of the time you will be doing more than 40 hours a week and you can't walk away in 4 weeks.

[GigiBronz]

That doesn't sound like much to complain about. Have you prepared for your first day?

I'd do my homework: research the most reviewed advert with BDSM on adultwork, book it for 8 hours. Tell her/him "your wish is my command" and there is no safe word.

That should get you going for the next 3 months...

[ladymuck]

what's that?
oh, yeh, sickies and holiday pay.
forgot about those.

There's always a silver lining to every cloud

[BR14]

fairly standard. Just remember that you can pull a stress related sicky if they take the piss.

what's that?
oh, yeh, sickies and holiday pay.
forgot about those.

[Lance]

just got a permie offer, decent package and handy(ish).
don't much like this bit in the contract though.

6. HOURS OF WORK
6.1 Your normal hours of work are 9.00 am to 5.30 pm Monday to Friday inclusive. You are, however, expected to work such additional hours as may be required for the proper performance of your duties. You will not be paid overtime.
6.2 You agree that the 48-hour maximum working week limit in regulation 4 of the Working Time Regulations 1998 shall not apply to You. During your employment You may give the Company three months' written notice that You wish this opt out to cease to apply.

anyone know if this is normal?
i haven't had a permie gig for donkeys.
this sounds like selling myself into slavery though.
I think i'll have to pass on this one.

fairly standard. Just remember that you can pull a stress related sicky if they take the piss.

[WTFH]

That’s where you need to have a chat with your (potential) manager.

I agree with what the others have said, basically when you’re working in IT there will be times when you work longer than an 8 hour day, or might have to work weekends. Most managers will give you TOIL. But the HR department will want to cover themselves to say they don’t pay overtime, and you can’t sue if you’re asked to work a Sunday.
If you’re happy not to get 1.5x at weekends, and your boss is happy to (unofficially) give you time off in lieu, then go for it.

[KinooOrKinog]

just got a permie offer, decent package and handy(ish).
don't much like this bit in the contract though.

6. HOURS OF WORK
6.1 Your normal hours of work are 9.00 am to 5.30 pm Monday to Friday inclusive. You are, however, expected to work such additional hours as may be required for the proper performance of your duties. You will not be paid overtime.
6.2 You agree that the 48-hour maximum working week limit in regulation 4 of the Working Time Regulations 1998 shall not apply to You. During your employment You may give the Company three months' written notice that You wish this opt out to cease to apply.

anyone know if this is normal?
i haven't had a permie gig for donkeys.
this sounds like selling myself into slavery though.
I think i'll have to pass on this one.

Yes I'd say that's standard. Generally if you're salaried rather than hourly paid you wouldn't get over time. I wouldn't expect that to extend to weekend working though. And if there came a point when I was regularly working 50 hours a week then I'd probably be having a discussion with them about resources.

[LondonManc]

Standard stuff - once on a management grade pay rate you won't get paid overtime but there is the flexibility for time off in lieu as required. The 48-hour waiver is no different to what you'd sign as a contractor, but you work 7 days (i.e. > 48 hours), get paid for 7 days as contractor if you want and the request arrives.

[JoJoGabor]

Yes its fairly normal. I dont have it in my current (permie) contract, but Im arguing I should get overtime now, especially as they just charge their clients for any overtime anway

[jatinder]

Most employers will leave it to you to opt-in or out of the 48hr working time directive. Opting-in generally means you have to fill out timesheets so they can monitor your hours. (I believe it's only a breach of the 48hr a week directive if it's over 48hrs every week for 3 months so not much use anyway...but I could be wrong about this).

Re weekend or late evening work - again I'd expect most employers to give time-off in lieu...

--Jatinder