Reply to: Contract Outside Public Sector vs Outside Private Sector - same rate

[PCTNN]

my current gig (public sector) is inside ir35

[northernladuk]

Not really a problem as long as the day rate is adjusted.

And the gig you are in doesn't extend (or is paid) after April.

[PCTNN]

That's a good point and if this is the case then he's got a real problem coming post April 2020.

Edit. Actually scratch that. He's got a problem now if most of his roles will be deemed inside.

Not really a problem as long as the day rate is adjusted.

[northernladuk]

I figure there will be variances depending on the type of role you're after.

That's a good point and if this is the case then he's got a real problem coming post April 2020.

Edit. Actually scratch that. He's got a problem now if most of his roles will be deemed inside.

[Paralytic]

I've got a jobserve alert on at the moment and I'd say there are more outside than there are inside at the moment.

I figure there will be variances depending on the type of role you're after.

[northernladuk]

There are inaccuracies and a bit of fibbing yes but lying about the fundamental engagement model serves no one.

I've got a jobserve alert on at the moment and I'd say there are more outside than there are inside at the moment.

[PCTNN]

Surely you then already knew the answer?

wouldn't be the first time that inaccurate/fake job ads are posted by agents or do you always blindly trust job specs?

[Paralytic]

Was just asking because since the changes in the public sector I've probably seen 1, maybe 2 contracts deemed outside ir35 (out of maybe a hundred).

Surely you then already knew the answer?

[PCTNN]

Erm...really don't know what to make of that question... But.. Of course it is and always has been.

You are aware the same is going to hit the private sector aren't you?

Was just asking because since the changes in the public sector I've probably seen 1, maybe 2 contracts deemed outside ir35 (out of maybe a hundred).

And yes, I am aware of the same changes hitting the private sector, thanks

[northernladuk]

Erm...really don't know what to make of that question... But.. Of course it is and always has been.

You are aware the same is going to hit the private sector aren't you?

[Paralytic]

Hi, did some forum search and decided to dig up this thread.

Excuse my ignorance, but is it possible now for a contract in the public sector to be outside ir35?

After doing a search, did you also do a read

Short answer, yes, public sector contracts can be assessed outside.

[PCTNN]

Hi, did some forum search and decided to dig up this thread.

Excuse my ignorance, but is it possible now for a contract in the public sector to be outside ir35?

[northernladuk]

Doesn't any action fall on the public sector body who made the decision that you are outside IR35? My understanding is that if HMRC were to investigate and decide you should have been inside, it is them, not you who will carry the can and have to pay the tax.

If so, it is much safer to be in an outside public sector gig than an outside private sector one.

If that's how you view it then yes you are actually quite correct.

[FrontEnder]

No. You do you diligence on the private gig, get your contract checked, understand enough about IR35, get your insurances and fire in.

If you've half a clue about IR35 then, IMO, this is not a decision point on which gig to take.

I'd be much more concerned about where the client is, the work I'd be doing, whats in it for me and so on. IR35 is waaaaay down in the priorities.

Doesn't any action fall on the public sector body who made the decision that you are outside IR35? My understanding is that if HMRC were to investigate and decide you should have been inside, it is them, not you who will carry the can and have to pay the tax.

If so, it is much safer to be in an outside public sector gig than an outside private sector one.

[northernladuk]

Is it worth now being outside IR35 looking at a future with a possibility of RetroTax like Loancharge?

Who knows but we aren't there yet.