Reply to: Market downturn

[MichaelJJC]

European push to take in UK contractors

Either way, it doesn't seem promising to me at all.

I am a Brit living and working in NL and Germany. NL and German companies are well aware of the UK gov't pressurising employees and contractors and they are well aware of IR35 and it's implications. They are happy to draw UK contract staff and employees and sponsor employees if visa's are required post Brexit. The UK is going to screw itself. Contractors support the UK economy by providing much needed cashflow. IR35 is counter productive!

[SussexSeagull]

Not all doom and gloom. I suspect the IR35 changes will be resisted by the Private Sector, especially if there is a hint they will need to offer employee benefits.

Brexit will no doubt involve a lot of work.

There should be no more Tier 2 Visas (although I have my doubts with some agencies) and eventually migrants get absorbed in the host country and will expect to share the spoils like the natives.

[skysies]

Either way, it doesn't seem promising to me at all.

And the funny thing is, my colleagues, the contractors including the Indians, all voted Brexit en masse,...go figure

[skysies]

A combination of Visas, outsourcing and the changes to IR35 interpretation might not kill contracting on their own but combined could kill it.

That is before any other market conditions come into play in the next few years, go which Brexit seems the most obvious.

Either way, it doesn't seem promising to me at all.

[SussexSeagull]

Visas aren't going to kill the contractor market, IR35 is when they push the Public Sector changes into the private sector.

My guess is it will all change come April 2019.

Make the most of it while you can.

A combination of Visas, outsourcing and the changes to IR35 interpretation might not kill contracting on their own but combined could kill it.

That is before any other market conditions come into play in the next few years, go which Brexit seems the most obvious.

[cojak]

Visas aren't going to kill the contractor market, IR35 is when they push the Public Sector changes into the private sector.

My guess is it will all change come April 2019.

Make the most of it while you can.

[skysies]

Not just UK has the same problem with too many IT visas being issued & or corrupted by big business interests!
Foreign Work Visas are Cheap Labor. So What's New? | Fox Business

I don't see these changes happening in the UK. Worse even, all those companies would naturally look into the UK market. If they increase the number of visas for Indians post Brexit, I don't see how the UK contract market would survive, or it will shrink to a marginal one.

[uk contractor]

Not just UK has the same problem with too many IT visas being issued & or corrupted by big business interests!
Foreign Work Visas are Cheap Labor. So What's New? | Fox Business

[MyUserName]

corporate bollocks ....

really ??

You mean you haven't had to sit through presentations on the latest corporate results , new management matrix they are implementing,

Every few months we get told what is happening in the company. Lasts about an hour at the most and is normally pretty interesting - but that might just be me though!

the new catchphrase on the new way to deliver to the client which is exactly the same as you do now

Nope.

, team re-arrangement ,

Yes but once at my request and the next time because the project had been completed.

endless admin so the manager with no work to do can fill in his spreadsheets which no one reads ...

Nope.

I was a permie for 16 years with a huge corporation, we had quarterly reviews , project reviews , assignment manager reviews , training and development plans , constant rebranding and process's none of which improved how we delivered to the client

Sounds ghastly but not every permie role is like that.

[SueEllen]

I have.........

So have I.

Its even worse when you actually get the role

I turned it down as they were mucking me around with interview times.

[LondonManc]

I have.........

Its even worse when you actually get the role

I had one where the hiring manager was English and their technical interviewer was Indian. Got offered the gig before I got home surprisingly enough.

[europetractor]

I'm pretty successful as a contractor and good at interviews but I've never had so much as a second interview when the interviewer has been a bob. If it were the other way round I'm sure the race card would be out.

It is because most of these foreign IT companies are talking to you not in order to get you a contract but in order to demonstrate search of local talent. In the end there is no local talent for the job because there is 10 000 waiting already for the job. So you cut the EU, but now the Bobs will feast on you lol

[europetractor]

And actually being over two miles from Knutsford train station. That certainly flummoxes alot of the Bobs.

qh

You can relocate the office into the middle of the woods and there will still be people who know as much as you do and still willing to get there every day.

[MrMarkyMark]

I'm pretty successful as a contractor and good at interviews but I've never had so much as a second interview when the interviewer has been a bob. If it were the other way round I'm sure the race card would be out.

I have.........





Its even worse when you actually get the role

[LondonManc]

I'm pretty successful as a contractor and good at interviews but I've never had so much as a second interview when the interviewer has been a bob. If it were the other way round I'm sure the race card would be out.

That's the thing about interviews though - nobody can play the race card and have it stick, which is also how they manage to get their cronies in with them.