Originally posted by Bee
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I've contracted for 5 consultancies as an SME.
Hard work generally and of often a short duration, but have always been treated very well.
2 paid expenses, which were charged back to the client, business class flights and very good hotels both times.
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Originally posted by Bee View PostJust because you allegedly worked in a crap a consultancy you shouldn’t judge all by your experience, and assuming that the other's opinion are tulip.
Some have been run by pleasant people , others by unpleasant people and some morphed one way or the other due to changes in management.
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Originally posted by cojak View Post
So basically, some consultancies do pass on expenses, and some don't.
It's true, The Consultancy cover all the expenses and this became the permies more expensive.
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Originally posted by cojak View PostBee has not missed the point. The consultancy I'm working for does not forward the expenses for permies onto the client, and so I imagine that expenses for working abroad can get high (they have to gently remind the permies not to select the highest costing hotels about twice a year).
I disagree that the permies are an onerous overhead though. The consultancy charges the client a flat rate for all consultants, permie and contractor alike and I guess that permies that don't have many expenses offset the others that do.
So basically, some consultancies do pass on expenses, and some don't.
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostI think you've missed the point Bee
If the consultancy can (and often do) invoice clients for expenses, they'll do it for contractors and permies alike. While contractors give them a lower margin, they're lower maintenance and generally better performing.
I disagree that the permies are an onerous overhead though. The consultancy charges the client a flat rate for all consultants, permie and contractor alike and I guess that permies that don't have many expenses offset the others that do.
So basically, some consultancies do pass on expenses, and some don't.
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Yet another thread destroyed by a comment from Bee that either wrong or makes no sense and degenerates in to having correct Bee and away from the topic.
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostWhat a load of tulip.
I've worked permanently for consultancies plus contracted for a few. Some consultancies have toxic cultures but it varies by project, and if you are a contractor they tend not to want to piss you off.
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Originally posted by Bee View PostAbsolutely.
Toxic culture is not allowed in the consultancies. The problem is anybody can open a company, hire contractors and call it a consultancy. Crap!!!
I've worked permanently for consultancies plus contracted for a few. Some consultancies have toxic cultures but it varies by project, and if you are a contractor they tend not to want to piss you off.Last edited by SueEllen; 21 October 2016, 20:58.
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Originally posted by spottyseagull View PostDisagree totally about the toxic culture and agile (I'm an experienced agile coach) statement in my context. If that's your experience then that's a shame but not indicative of them as a consultancy IMO. They're very selective about who they have as an associate and the process is pretty rigorous. All excellent experiences with them for me
Toxic culture is not allowed in the consultancies. The problem is anybody can open a company, hire contractors and call it a consultancy. Crap!!!
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostI think you've missed the point Bee
If the consultancy can (and often do) invoice clients for expenses, they'll do it for contractors and permies alike.
Originally posted by LondonManc View PostWhile contractors give them a lower margin, they're lower maintenance and generally better performing.
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