Reply to: State of the Market

[BlueSharp]

What about them? Have their parents given up drinking, smoking, tattoos, takeaways to donate to their school? Let me know when they do, then we'll talk about how such children are my responsibility.

That's the crux of the issue, mnay parents give up that list and more to get their kids a decent education simply because they value education more than than others and are prepared to make those sacrifices.

Personally, I would love to see another £20 billion pumped into the state system so its funded as well as private schools. But you know the masses would kick off having to pay out their pocket for that. It always amazes me when people compare the education systems to Finland not realising their private schools are charities like our own and te Finish taxes are much higher than ours which funds an excellent state system.

[escapeUK]

Oh dear, someone wants an À la carte tax system :P

Bet you won't mind those children paying for your pension when you retire :P

Mind? I'd love it. But, our society will have collapsed long before then. Just need to walk around any city centre and the future is clear to see.

[dx4100]

What about them? Have their parents given up drinking, smoking, tattoos, takeaways to donate to their school? Let me know when they do, then we'll talk about how such children are my responsibility.

Oh dear, someone wants an À la carte tax system :P

Bet you won't mind those children paying for your pension when you retire :P

[dx4100]

What I mean is you usually pay for home schooling from an online school. You can of course home school without that, but that would mean giving up work and teaching your child yourself. I don't think many people choose that option as it's not cost effective and most people aren't qualified to teach.

My daughter has a tutor and I have no idea actually if we pay VAT or not. Wife looks after it. But if they now have to charge VAT as well (I thought they already did - maybe wrong) then so be it.

[dx4100]

Aren’t they already subsidising these services by paying for them (via tax) and not using them?

Taxation isn't a pick and mix type of thing :P You pay for the stuff you don't use as well. They are just now being expected to contribute a fair amount of tax for the privileges they want for themselves. Its great and long overdue.

[jamesbrown]

Well the consultancy I was working through up until June has chucked a few crumbs of work my way so I've got something until the end of January. Stems the outflow at the very least but I still need to find something with a bit more longevity about it.

A banana is a banana

[ladymuck]

Well the consultancy I was working through up until June has chucked a few crumbs of work my way so I've got something until the end of January. Stems the outflow at the very least but I still need to find something with a bit more longevity about it.

[sadkingbilly]

ME! ME! ME! .

Oh, do give it a rest.

[avonleigh]

Eh?

What I mean is you usually pay for home schooling from an online school. You can of course home school without that, but that would mean giving up work and teaching your child yourself. I don't think many people choose that option as it's not cost effective and most people aren't qualified to teach.

[escapeUK]

A lot of tired arguments there. What about all the kids facing the same issues who don't have the family resources to send their children to private school and have to go to state schools which are starved of funds ?

What about them? Have their parents given up drinking, smoking, tattoos, takeaways to donate to their school? Let me know when they do, then we'll talk about how such children are my responsibility.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Home schooling is classed as private education if you didn't know, so has been hit by the 20% VAT addition.

Eh?

[fakenick]

If you want go private its fine, but you need to cough up the tax to support the ones who lack those options.

Aren’t they already subsidising these services by paying for them (via tax) and not using them?

[gables]

Why is clobbering private schools a good thing? Not everybody who privately educates their kids are rich or even middle class. A lot of people are having to do it because state education often fails kids particularly around bullying. A lot of parents who home school kids do so because they may have kids who have autism or other conditions. Again, they are being failed by state education so have no choice. Home schooling is classed as private education if you didn't know, so has been hit by the 20% VAT addition.
There should be no VAT on school fees and there should be no university fees for anyone other than international students. This to me is bonkers and is the fault of both Tories and Labour.

I wouldn't be sending kids to private schooling to avoid bullying, other reasons maybe*, but not bullying. As an Army brat I was sent to boarding school so talking from experience of what I witnessed.

*not that I could find any so my kids attended the local school even though we could afford private education.

[dx4100]

Why is clobbering private schools a good thing? Not everybody who privately educates their kids are rich or even middle class. A lot of people are having to do it because state education often fails kids particularly around bullying. A lot of parents who home school kids do so because they may have kids who have autism or other conditions. Again, they are being failed by state education so have no choice. Home schooling is classed as private education if you didn't know, so has been hit by the 20% VAT addition.
There should be no VAT on school fees and there should be no university fees for anyone other than international students. This to me is bonkers and is the fault of both Tories and Labour.

A lot of tired arguments there. What about all the kids facing the same issues who don't have the family resources to send their children to private school and have to go to state schools which are starved of funds ? The state sector needs more money to overcome these issues for the rest of the children and not just your privileged offspring.

Its great stuff. You are only being asked to pay 20% VAT on something that only offers value to your children. Exactly why we have VAT.

Next we should be applying VAT to private medical insurance for all the same reasons.

Whatever the sob story don't think others with less resources aren't walking them. If you want go private its fine, but you need to cough up the tax to support the ones who lack those options. Seriously its disgraceful these private businesses can operate as if they are a charity.

[SchumiStars]

Labour, looks like tfl and the train unions will be striking over pay next month. The joy.