Reply to: State of the Market

[sadkingbilly]

Brexit! Jeez. Next you'll be saying Ukraine, Trump, blah, blah.

The reality is there's no growth, no business confidence, no future while this government of utter incompetence are calling the shots. NONE.

you don't even Live here do you? just another greedy self centered Tory.
nothing to see here.......

[dsc]

No, no, it HAS to be brexit.

On the whole the previous 14 years for me have been fantastic. Some peaks and some troughs, but on the whole it's been great. Currently on highest rate ever and that has the potential to rise significantly if the client's business plans come to fruition. 100% remote, outside IR35, good people and interesting work.

Objectively though the market has gone tougher overall, way less outside roles, the IR35 changes did the damage and other factors like interest rates / brexit etc. also played a part. Regardless of how good of a role you are in now and how lucky you were before, there's no denying currently the market is tulipe and will probably stay like this for a while.

[willendure]

The irony is that we're meant to be adaptable - isn't what we're encountering now just another set of circumstances to adapt to?

Absolutely! There have been times when finding a contract was easy, and times when it was hard. But every time I have found one, I have had to adapt in some way - figuring out what the market wants, learning new skills, figuring out where the demand is and what existing skills are now dead. The market might be slow just now, but when it does come back, it will come back different and it will still be necessary to adapt even if things are easier.

[oliverson]

Yes, because the previous 14 years were so fantastic weren't they?

There are some odd people on here who've completely failed to adapt or improve, and find it easy to blame everything on others.

No, no, it HAS to be brexit.

On the whole the previous 14 years for me have been fantastic. Some peaks and some troughs, but on the whole it's been great. Currently on highest rate ever and that has the potential to rise significantly if the client's business plans come to fruition. 100% remote, outside IR35, good people and interesting work.

[ensignia]

Brexit! Jeez. Next you'll be saying Ukraine, Trump, blah, blah.

The reality is there's no growth, no business confidence, no future while this government of utter incompetence are calling the shots. NONE.

Yes, because the previous 14 years were so fantastic weren't they?

There are some odd people on here who've completely failed to adapt or improve, and find it easy to blame everything on others.

[oliverson]

Can't all be blamed on outsourcing. IR35, Brexit, and cost of living crisis have all had massive impacts. But yes contracting is dead. Whether it ever recovers is anybody's guess. Don't think anyone can predict that with any certainty right now.

Brexit! Jeez. Next you'll be saying Ukraine, Trump, blah, blah.

The reality is there's no growth, no business confidence, no future while this government of utter incompetence are calling the shots. NONE.

[sadkingbilly]

The irony is that we're meant to be adaptable - isn't what we're encountering now just another set of circumstances to adapt to?

Adapt or die

[fatJock]

Which, knowing the place, is still running and still got a few years left.

Yeah I know a few folks who are still there - lots of perms were let go in a cull those few weeks ago.

[Robinho]

I'm probably being stupid really. Nobody's going to posting jobs a week before Christmas.

[northernladuk]

I've had two months on the bench during Covid and then took a year out through choice (Sept 23/Oct 23) whilst refusing an extension to the contract I was in at Asda on a programme which still had a couple of years to run.

Which, knowing the place, is still running and still got a few years left.

[fatJock]

I remember when I lurked on here ten years ago, and again eight years ago when I got my first contract and I read all of the same sort of stuff - contracting is dead. [Insert new reason] will end contracting. If I had listened then I wouldn't have had some great years and opportunities.

I wouldn't say I have a niche set of skills - 25 years in IT/Infrastructure projects as PM/Programme Manager predominantly in the logistics industry. In my eight years of contracting I've had two months on the bench during Covid and then took a year out through choice (Sept 23/Oct 23) whilst refusing an extension to the contract I was in at Asda on a programme which still had a couple of years to run. Maybe I've been lucky, maybe my Midlands location has helped - dunno?

The irony is that we're meant to be adaptable - isn't what we're encountering now just another set of circumstances to adapt to?

[avonleigh]

Is contracting dead these days then?

I've really just been freelancing the last couple of years. But i just had a look on Jobserve to see if i could land myself a big juicy money spinner, but i don't think there's even been a single job with my skillset been posted.

Has everywhere just outsourced to India having realised WFH means there's no point in having UK staff?

Can't all be blamed on outsourcing. IR35, Brexit, and cost of living crisis have all had massive impacts. But yes contracting is dead. Whether it ever recovers is anybody's guess. Don't think anyone can predict that with any certainty right now.

[SchumiStars]

Is contracting dead these days then?

I've really just been freelancing the last couple of years. But i just had a look on Jobserve to see if i could land myself a big juicy money spinner, but i don't think there's even been a single job with my skillset been posted.

Has everywhere just outsourced to India having realised WFH means there's no point in having UK staff?

Lucky for me, I just managed to get my unaffordable home in London in decent shape after all these years, thinking that living and working in London would give me the best roles and rates.

Just imagine how popular HS2 will be now that everyone has worked out using teams is more efficient than travelling to major city for meetings.

WFH & outsourcing are bigger threats than IR35. At least with IR35, once the rates sorted themselves out, with contractor availability and skill set, it would have been manageable.

Outsourcing means for the same amount companies pay for a contractor they can get a company with contract sla in place.

WFH, means no office costs for the company so just end up working as a body shop.

In order since my last investment bank:
2020 IR35
2021 COVID (no contracts)
2022 WFH
2023 Immigration + outsourcing
2024 IT Recession

(Rough timeline)

[quackhandle]

It's been dead for years, is newly dead, is slowly dying or is making a spirited comeback depending on what bollox you've read from your left/right/center leaning news casts/pods/influencers.

Good luck.

qh

[Robinho]

Is contracting dead these days then?

I've really just been freelancing the last couple of years. But i just had a look on Jobserve to see if i could land myself a big juicy money spinner, but i don't think there's even been a single job with my skillset been posted.

Has everywhere just outsourced to India having realised WFH means there's no point in having UK staff?