Reply to: Face to face id check, copy of degree certificate, dividend frequency

[TheFaQQer]

If his assertion is correct that Directors of UK Ltds automatically have the right to work in the UK

It's not.

HTH

[SueEllen]

Sorry but you've not said anything there that goes against what garnet said.

If his assertion is correct that Directors of UK Ltds automatically have the right to work in the UK, then what more proof does the agency need to hold than that the person is a director of the ltd (plus proof of actual ID - passport or driving licence/birth certificate combo).

Directors of UK Limiteds don't automatically have the right to work in the UK. A director of a UK company can be anyone in the world as long as they are over 16 and aren't barred from being a director. Also a director of a company can be another company. However at least one director has to be a person.

From experience I have noticed that agencies are a bit thick and don't tend to notice if the director signing the contract is not the worker supplied to do the work on the contract. They automatically assume that every company is a one person company.

[LondonManc]

Let me explain it to you simply.

While you think an agency just deals with one type of worker they don't. Most agencies engage temps, permies and contractors, and many do that in multiple sectors. IT is often just one of those different sectors.

If the Home Office decides to raid the agency offices because they suspect they aren't checking their workers have a right to work in the UK - the Home Office will not care whether the contractors are directors of a limited company or not. All the Home Office will want to see is that the agency are doing some sort of check of worker status.

So you are welcome to refuse to give the agency a scanned copy of your passport, which is a useless form of checking anyway, as you simply won't get the contract.

Any agency or consultancy that does the checking properly will want to see the original of your passport before taking a photocopy.

In the cases were the agency doesn't check your passport - and I've had 2 of those - the client's security office will check your passport.

Sorry but you've not said anything there that goes against what garnet said.

If his assertion is correct that Directors of UK Ltds automatically have the right to work in the UK, then what more proof does the agency need to hold than that the person is a director of the ltd (plus proof of actual ID - passport or driving licence/birth certificate combo).

[SueEllen]

Dude, stop being AH?
In a contract it is a relationship between LTD and LTD.
No right to work involved at that level.

Let me explain it to you simply.

While you think an agency just deals with one type of worker they don't. Most agencies engage temps, permies and contractors, and many do that in multiple sectors. IT is often just one of those different sectors.

If the Home Office decides to raid the agency offices because they suspect they aren't checking their workers have a right to work in the UK - the Home Office will not care whether the contractors are directors of a limited company or not. All the Home Office will want to see is that the agency are doing some sort of check of worker status.

So you are welcome to refuse to give the agency a scanned copy of your passport, which is a useless form of checking anyway, as you simply won't get the contract.

Any agency or consultancy that does the checking properly will want to see the original of your passport before taking a photocopy.

In the cases were the agency doesn't check your passport - and I've had 2 of those - the client's security office will check your passport.

[northernladuk]

Dude, stop being AH?
In a contract it is a relationship between LTD and LTD.
No right to work involved at that level.

I'm out.

[garnet]

Dude, stop being AH?
In a contract it is a relationship between LTD and LTD.
No right to work involved at that level.

[northernladuk]

Not really. No.
It greatly depends on the method, but yes if you are LTD and employ one, you must.
But if you are a LTD director you dont have any restrictions on working in the UK.
Agents dont know that, and it is our job to enlighten them. Or let them f00k us.....
Granted some thing are easy to cope with, but F2F ID is not one of them.....

Must admit I don't know and really CBA to look in to the comment about a LTD director not having restrictions but back to the right to work thing.... which possibly isn't even the reason the agent wants all this.....

Have a read of this...

Why Right to Work checks aren't consistent :: Contractor UK

Note the last line...

My conclusion is that there is a lack of consistency in right to work checks dependent on the type of contract used, which some less scrupulous businesses may take advantage of. Best practice for recruiters is to carry out the checks in any event.

BOOOOOOOOOM!!!!

[garnet]

Erm.. You have to check everyones right to work regardless of engagement method no?

Granted that guidance is written for employers checking employees but it was the best one I could find that shows the eligibility checking process.

Not really. No.
It greatly depends on the method, but yes if you are LTD and employ one, you must.
But if you are a LTD director you dont have any restrictions on working in the UK.
Agents dont know that, and it is our job to enlighten them. Or let them take advantage of us.....
Granted some things are easy to cope with, but F2F ID is not one of them.....

[northernladuk]

Yet another BS from you. Keep up the good work.

What you've cite relates to employing a person . Sort of more when you are hired as a permie.
Agency deals with your LTD. You are a director and as such you ALWAYS have the right to work in the UK as a director. Got it?
Technically you LTD must do these check if you hire someone... you get the idea.....

Erm.. You have to check everyones right to work regardless of engagement method no?

Granted that guidance is written for employers checking employees but it was the best one I could find that shows the eligibility checking process.

[garnet]

I'm not sure why I'm replying to that load of crap but IMO...

https://www.gov.uk/check-job-applicant-right-to-work

Links to guidance on right to work and checks...

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...2015_final.pdf

Which mentions 3 step check and page 12 talks about what to do to follow the process. Reading between the lines the OP of this issue could be asked for the information he was asked with.. I highly suspect the agent has misread or misunderstood the rules and is doing more than required but seems the OP gave zero detail to the background it doesn't seem totally beyond the realms of possibility he could be asked for these....

Yet another BS from you. Keep up the good work.

What you've cite relates to employing a person . Sort of more when you are hired as a permie.
Agency deals with your LTD. You are a director and as such you ALWAYS have the right to work in the UK as a director. Got it?
Technically you LTD must do these check if you hire someone... you get the idea.....

[northernladuk]

Oh... and fingers crossed 65

[northernladuk]

I'm not sure why I'm replying to that load of crap but IMO...

https://www.gov.uk/check-job-applicant-right-to-work

Links to guidance on right to work and checks...

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...2015_final.pdf

Which mentions 3 step check and page 12 talks about what to do to follow the process. Reading between the lines the OP of this issue could be asked for the information he was asked with.. I highly suspect the agent has misread or misunderstood the rules and is doing more than required but seems the OP gave zero detail to the background it doesn't seem totally beyond the realms of possibility he could be asked for these....

[garnet]

Nothing wrong with any of that. Why do you think you've been hard done by? What bit of compliance do you think doesn't apply to you?

So many people with so little idea. In just don't get why so many people get upset. If they ask you for something go research why. The answer will probably make sense if not a little over the top but that's life.

Every bit which is meaningless and someone pulled it out of their ass.
May be because not everyone likes being <mod snip>.
Invading privacy by agent like this for no obvious reason (compliance IS NOT a reason) is somewhat irritating.
I can not judge you if you like it, but you should not burb things like this as well.

On another note: how do you send scans of documents. One agent wanted me to send it by email. I sent them in password protected zip and told them the password by phone. 5 emails from their colleagues asking for password later. Told them to go away and ask agent 1.

[SueEllen]

Why are your A levels from 27 years ago even on your CV?

Because he hasn't heard of grade inflation.

[TheFaQQer]

Copy of A level and degree certificates (from 27 years ago!)

Why are your A levels from 27 years ago even on your CV?