Reply to: IR35 review fail and updates to contract based on review

[cojak]

This forum is here to provide advice.

If you don't like the advice you're given, insulting the posters by sneering condescension is not going to get you very far.

I'm closing this thread as it's gone as far as it can.

[SueEllen]

In other words exactly the same as the rest of the contractors out there gigging. Can you not think of anything vaguer than "how you run your business"?

Since a load of posters come on here complaining about the contract they have signed but not read, do you think every contractor runs their business the same?

So "how you run your business" means everything from how you sell your skills as some contractors go direct, up to contract negotiation. You cannot do the latter if you don't read and understand the contract including the laws that govern it.

If you were permie you have lots of statutory protections that cover you so not reading and understanding your contract of employment won't leave you in a mess.

I hope I've made it easier for you to understand a "vague" term.

[No2politics]

Stock response on the Internet when some anus has been called out. I think that sound you heard was actually my point being made squire.

Sweet dreams lad.

I agree. A complete and utter troll he is. All the time worrying about "the future of contracting". Obviously a bum on seat ****!!

[OnceStonedRose]

My point is made. NLUK out.

Stock response on the Internet when some anus has been called out. I think that sound you heard was actually my point being made squire.

Sweet dreams lad.

[northernladuk]

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My point is made. NLUK out.

[mudskipper]

Ah, so it that why IPSE claim they've never lost a case - because they don't take on the "bang to rights" ones?

Do they claim that? Not come across it.

[OnceStonedRose]

I thought I'd done that when in pointed out that contracting is about how you run your business and not what you do sitting at the the clients desk. Don't say I didn't try.

In other words exactly the same as the rest of the contractors out there gigging. Can you not think of anything vaguer than "how you run your business"?

You are the same as the rest of us, the only difference pal is you think your different whereas 99% of the contracting/service providing community know we are all feeding from the same trough so try not being such a jumped up, self righteous, arse clown in future and just carry on carrying on. And maybe instead of insinuating that every chap/chapess who posts on here is a phoney, perhaps you could put your pompous response in the drawer and offer constructive replies.

[northernladuk]

It'd really help all of us tryers who aspire to be at the top table where you feast sir if you could spare us just an insight into how a real, bonafide, contractor operates, again aside from the obvious acronyms etc...

I thought I'd done that when in pointed out that contracting is about how you run your business and not what you do sitting at the the clients desk. Don't say I didn't try.

[OnceStonedRose]

He does know how to use the letter z though.

But don't worry, you've obviously got a thick left thumb so I fixed your posts for you.

Ta chuck.

[cojak]

No probs son, won't take it personal.

So carry on master, you're different from those employees how, other than knowing your forum's acronyms of course.

Is it to be a real big boy, untouchable by Dave and George's investigative cronies, honest to goodness contractor, you need to spend majority of the business day, and evenings and weekends too by the looks of things, posting on Internet forums unmasking all the employees instead of providing the service your company has been procured to provide? It'd really help all of us tryers who aspire to be at the top table where you feast sir if you could spare us just an insight into how a real, bonafide, contractor operates, again aside from the obvious acronyms etc...

He does know how to use the letter z though.

But don't worry, you've obviously got a thick left thumb so I fixed your posts for you.

[Zero Liability]

Ah, so it that why IPSE claim they've never lost a case - because they don't take on the "bang to rights" ones?

They'd probably just be saving you and themselves time and money by advising to settle where they deem it to be unwinnable.

[OnceStonedRose]

Not everyone is a disguised permie. Some of us know what RoS and MoO are let alone what the acronym is. I respect you balls for having a go. You've got the making of a good contractor. You are on a forum of people that are trying to understand are interested which makes up a fairly small minority so fair play to you. Don't take it personally. You've done better than most.

No probs son, won't take it personal.

So carry on master, you're different from those employees how, other than knowing your forum's acronyms of course.

Is it to be a real big boy, untouchable by Dave and George's investigative cronies, honest to goodness contractor, you need to spend majority of the business day, and evenings and weekends too by the looks of things, posting on Internet forums unmasking all the employees instead of providing the service your company has been procured to provide? It'd really help all of us tryers who aspire to be at the top table where you feast sir if you could spare us just an insight into how a real, bonafide, contractor operates, again aside from the obvious acronyms etc...

[northernladuk]

There it is. As sure as night follows day, someone post on here with a question and up pops the nluk to call them a permie or disguised etc.

Boring <mod snip>, we are all disguised permies according to you, overlord of the contracting fraternity, get a fuggin grip lad.

Agencies, the horrible snakes, sell my skills. I use said skills to satisfy clients' requirements, just same as you no doubt but of course, you're different from all us mask wearing employees aren't you because...?

Not everyone is a disguised permie. Some of us know what RoS and MoO are let alone what the acronym is. I respect you balls for having a go. You've got the making of a good contractor. You are on a forum of people that are trying to understand are interested which makes up a fairly small minority so fair play to you. Don't take it personally. You've done better than most.

[OnceStonedRose]

Your job is a contractor. The crap you do at a client is the easy stuff. You are a business selling skills you already have and knowing all the legislation around how you get that business. The skills of a good contractor is knowing about being a contractor not a coder. Permies can do that. Anyone that thinks contracting is just doing what the client wants is a disguised permie.

There it is. As sure as night follows day, someone post on here with a question and up pops the nluk to call them a permie or disguised etc.

Boring <mod snip> we are all disguised permies according to you, overlord of the contracting fraternity, get a fuggin grip lad.

Agencies, the horrible snakes, sell my skils. I use said skills to satisfy clients' requirements, just same as you no doubt but of course, you're different from all us mask wearing employees aren't you because...?

[northernladuk]

Just so I'm clear, one of the underlying requirements in your eyes, albeit inferred, of a persons ability/suitability to undertake software development or consultancy is the knowledge of acronyms used on Internet forums? YCNMIU.

Flipping heck. I'm glad I don't have to sit in an office with you lad.

Your job is a contractor. The crap you do at a client is the easy stuff. You are a business selling skills you already have and knowing all the legislation around how you get that business. The skills of a good contractor is knowing about being a contractor not a coder. Permies can do that. Anyone that thinks contracting is just doing what the client wants is a disguised permie.