Reply to: No Notice Contract....Exit !

[psychocandy]

You'd think after the mauling you got first time you mentioned this you'd kinda let it drop now. Everyone else seems to know this except you so not sure who you are trying to convince.

Umm no there are some posts I totally ignore so n I didnt notice the 'mauling'

[northernladuk]

I dont often agree with psycho but on this one I do. That, was my point.

I did that once as well.

[BolshieBastard]

Be fair.

Until the second page no one knew the OP situation and why the OP wants to leave.

The OP could have had a family issue or a serious personality clash with a new client manager.

Erm.. Did you not read the post above yours?

I dont feel the need to read every post but I do know a bashing for the sake of it.

Point is, the OP didnt have a guaranteed 4 years work. He didnt even have a guaranteed 12 months. he had the client \ agency's right of termination with MOO (presumably) meaning next day off site.

I dont often agree with psycho but on this one I do. That, was my point.

[northernladuk]

Another valid reason why I'd think twice about committing to a whole 12 months. Its just sensible to think of the possible issues this could cause.

You'd think after the mauling you got first time you mentioned this you'd kinda let it drop now. Everyone else seems to know this except you so not sure who you are trying to convince.

[psychocandy]

What is a "Permmie tractor" and what are D&C 's ?

My Ltd company has three contracts. This is one. The other two are "Zero hours" although I am undertaking work for those clients; they call off the hours as & when needed.

I paid for the qualifications, not the client.

I have my own reasons for sticking around for four years; I don't see this thread as an IR35 discussion, neither do I need IR35 advice, thanks. What I am seeking advice on, is how to exit a contract without causing too much of a problem. The client wants me to come back in a year or two, and is willing to engage me direct, no agent / pimp in the future.

The client does not want me to leave, does not want to pay me the extra, understands my position and is not blocking my request. The issue is the agent.

Might just say FO to agent and gently go with the
clients consent.

FJ

If client is happy/understands then no issue in my book. You've been professional, client is happy, from a professional point of view everything is covered off IMHO.

Agent is just crying and throwing his toys out of the cot because hes losing money. Tell him to grow up and suck it up - it happens.

[psychocandy]

Be fair.

Until the second page no one knew the OP situation and why the OP wants to leave.

The OP could have had a family issue or a serious personality clash with a new client manager.

Another valid reason why I'd think twice about committing to a whole 12 months. Its just sensible to think of the possible issues this could cause.

[northernladuk]

Agent is the clients puppet. If the client is OK the agent will begrudgingly go along with it, especially if hes getting to fill the role again. It's not hard. Just get on with it.

[eek]

What is a "Permmie tractor" and what are D&C 's ?

My Ltd company has three contracts. This is one. The other two are "Zero hours" although I am undertaking work for those clients; they call off the hours as & when needed.

I paid for the qualifications, not the client.

I have my own reasons for sticking around for four years; I don't see this thread as an IR35 discussion, neither do I need IR35 advice, thanks. What I am seeking advice on, is how to exit a contract without causing too much of a problem. The client wants me to come back in a year or two, and is willing to engage me direct, no agent / pimp in the future.

The client does not want me to leave, does not want to pay me the extra, understands my position and is not blocking my request. The issue is the agent.

Might just say FO to agent and gently go with the
clients consent.

FJ

You agree mutual date with end client. Client informs agent of new end date. Job done.

The only thing that makes it difficult is that the agent knows you are leaving....

[Farmer jones]

What is a "Permmie tractor" and what are D&C 's ?

My Ltd company has three contracts. This is one. The other two are "Zero hours" although I am undertaking work for those clients; they call off the hours as & when needed.

I paid for the qualifications, not the client.

I have my own reasons for sticking around for four years; I don't see this thread as an IR35 discussion, neither do I need IR35 advice, thanks. What I am seeking advice on, is how to exit a contract without causing too much of a problem. The client wants me to come back in a year or two, and is willing to engage me direct, no agent / pimp in the future.

The client does not want me to leave, does not want to pay me the extra, understands my position and is not blocking my request. The issue is the agent.

Might just say FO to agent and gently go with the
clients consent.

FJ

[northernladuk]

Dont talk daft. The OP became a permie tractor after 2 -3 years. 4 years at the same client site and that's not a red flag to you? And signing a 12 monther with no termination clause?

Wonder why after 4 years permie tractor income he now wants to ditch the client? Hmmmmmm.

Erm.. Did you not read the post above yours?

[SueEllen]

Dont talk daft. The OP became a permie tractor after 2 -3 years. 4 years at the same client site and that's not a red flag to you? And signing a 12 monther with no termination clause?

Wonder why after 4 years permie tractor income he now wants to ditch the client? Hmmmmmm.

Be fair.

Until the second page no one knew the OP situation and why the OP wants to leave.

The OP could have had a family issue or a serious personality clash with a new client manager.

[BolshieBastard]

That's because you are an idiot.

So you would have turned down the 4 years of income the OP has managed to secure and will be able to leave mid contract without any hassle? Refer to my first sentence.

Dont talk daft. The OP became a permie tractor after 2 -3 years. 4 years at the same client site and that's not a red flag to you? And signing a 12 monther with no termination clause?

Wonder why after 4 years permie tractor income he now wants to ditch the client? Hmmmmmm.

[northernladuk]

I've been on site for four and a half years.
In that time I have not received a rate rise, on the basis that I had longeivity of work.

That is not grounds for a rate rise if you are still carrying out the work you are doing.

My current rate is 40 - 65% below current market rate, due to the qualifications I now have.

That you gained from this client. Same happens in permie land. You have to leave to get paid for the extra experience.

I have asked for a rate rise on 3 seperate occasions, each time resulting in a No.

As part of the additional activities I am now being asked to do, one is to recruit, supervise & manage a team who have less qualifications & experience than I, but are being paid just under 50% more than I am receiveing.

A discussion around rate two weeks ago has prompted this, and I have two offers on the table at a much higher rate. I am prepared to stay, and will do so for 25% more.

Client again says no to rate rise despite senior management recognising the issue...

This is why I am on the way.

FJ

Have you heard of IR35? If you have I presume you don't really care about it? Sounds like there is some pretty serious D&C going on there and are part and parcel if they are throwing extra work at you without changing the T&Cs. 4 years is way out of my comfort zone at a client even if I am working hard on my working conditions, which it sounds isn't the case here.

Gotta wonder why you have been there 4 years if the rate is so far of market. You must have missed out on a crap load of money whilst making yourself a very pretty IR35 target.

[Contreras]

I've been on site for four and a half years.
In that time I have not received a rate rise, on the basis that I had longeivity of work.

My current rate is 40 - 65% below current market rate, due to the qualifications I now have.

I have asked for a rate rise on 3 seperate occasions, each time resulting in a No.

As part of the additional activities I am now being asked to do, one is to recruit, supervise & manage a team who have less qualifications & experience than I, but are being paid just under 50% more than I am receiveing.

A discussion around rate two weeks ago has prompted this, and I have two offers on the table at a much higher rate. I am prepared to stay, and will do so for 25% more.

Client again says no to rate rise despite senior management recognising the issue...

This is why I am on the way.

FJ

You may just be doing them a favour (hint).

No client wants an unwilling contractor.

Ask about hand-over of work. Agree an end date. Confirm by email. Then TELL the agency.

[Farmer jones]

Reasons to leave...

I've been on site for four and a half years.
In that time I have not received a rate rise, on the basis that I had longeivity of work.

My current rate is 40 - 65% below current market rate, due to the qualifications I now have.

I have asked for a rate rise on 3 seperate occasions, each time resulting in a No.

As part of the additional activities I am now being asked to do, one is to recruit, supervise & manage a team who have less qualifications & experience than I, but are being paid just under 50% more than I am receiveing.

A discussion around rate two weeks ago has prompted this, and I have two offers on the table at a much higher rate. I am prepared to stay, and will do so for 25% more.

Client again says no to rate rise despite senior management recognising the issue...

This is why I am on the way.

FJ