Finishing up - expectations

[BolshieBastard]

Common.

One of the nasty insults I've heard (when I was perm) was from a line manager when handed over weekly timesheets for signing:

'here's the timesheets again from the contractor scum'

He said it in a 'sort of joking' manner but loud and clear for all perms and contractors in the office to hear. The contractors didn't say a word, just kept their heads down and continued invoicing (the only response).

Why do people put up with this tulipe? I wouldnt stand for it. Too many sheeple as contractors imo.

[WordIsBond]

I thought his nick was TheWordIsBond.

LOL. It could be that and I am a 007 fan. Or it could have "My" in there twice. There could be other meanings, too. Intentionally ambiguous.

I'm surprised you approved, though, since I didn't tell him to ask his accountant.

[SunnyInHades]

new CTO has gone on record to say that he hates contractors

Common.

One of the nasty insults I've heard (when I was perm) was from a line manager when handed over weekly timesheets for signing:

'here's the timesheets again from the contractor scum'

He said it in a 'sort of joking' manner but loud and clear for all perms and contractors in the office to hear. The contractors didn't say a word, just kept their heads down and continued invoicing (the only response).

[cojak]

Sorry - I meant not cool by them. Good for you though....

Oh, right you are.

[northernladuk]

WWIBS

Oh yeah.. I thought his nick was TheWordIsBond. How strange. Anyway... Good shout sir.

[TheFaQQer]

WTWIBS said. Nice post.

WWIBS

[psychocandy]

Not sure where the 'not cool' sits tbh. The project which I was contracted (and had included in my contract schedule) was cancelled by the client. It ceased to exist. I tidied up my aspects of the project and moth-balled it in case they wanted to re-start. The client expected me to merge into a BAU team, I subsequently explained what MOO meant (and the lack thereof) and left the the same afternoon.

It's just business.

Sorry - I meant not cool by them. Good for you though....

[Bunk]

Not sure where the 'not cool' sits tbh. The project which I was contracted (and had included in my contract schedule) was cancelled by the client. It ceased to exist. I tidied up my aspects of the project and moth-balled it in case they wanted to re-start. The client expected me to merge into a BAU team, I subsequently explained what MOO meant (and the lack thereof) and left the the same afternoon.

It's just business.

I think he's saying it's not cool what they did to you.

[cojak]

Not cool cojak.

I always think well they know how long the project is for. If they want me to stay absolutely until the end then offer me a contract for that length, no get out etc for me (And be willing to pay for it).

If you offer 3 months because you want to see how things are budgetwise knowing full well its likely to run for 6 months, then its tough tittie if contractor leaves after 3 months.....

In your case though, I would not have been pleased....

Not sure where the 'not cool' sits tbh. The project which I was contracted (and had included in my contract schedule) was cancelled by the client. It ceased to exist. I tidied up my aspects of the project and moth-balled it in case they wanted to re-start. The client expected me to merge into a BAU team, I subsequently explained what MOO meant (and the lack thereof) and left the the same afternoon.

It's just business.

[northernladuk]

WTWIBS said. Nice post.

[WordIsBond]

Perhaps this can only be judged on a case by case basis - but keen to know your thoughts anyway.

This is mostly a business decision that has to be weighed on a cost-benefit analysis. So many variables, no one else can answer this for you. Here's a few:

1. Is this a potential future client for you, and how much do you value the client relationship? And related to that, how hard will it be for them to replace you if you walk?
2. For most people, a longer contract is better, because you don't end up on the bench, but if you are in great demand and can get contracts whenever you want, taking a shorter contract is irrelevant.
3. You may not have any longer contracts available at the time.
4. You may have personal reasons (you want to go to Australia in January or something) why a short contract to finish this out is to your own benefit.
5. Depending on industry, this client may be one that will say good or bad things about you to others depending on how this goes. Is this in a "it's a small world" industry, and will word-of-mouth / referrals have any bearing on your future opportunities?
6. Is the client willing to pay a premium on your normal rate to extend you for a shorter contract since it gives you "less security" than a longer contract would?
7. How much have you benefited from this contract? You said you've learned from the contract, which means they took on someone who didn't know everything needed for the job. Will you personally feel a little as if you haven't done right by them if you walk, that you've benefited perhaps more than they have, and that you'd feel happier with yourself if you finished it out for them? That's not so much a financial question, and certainly not a legal one, but it's a good feeling to walk out of a job feeling you've left the client entirely happy, and it might be worth something.
8. Is this a border-line IR35 contract, where you've operated outside IR35 but would feel a little nervous if HMRC investigated it? If so, walking away before completion would be a strong pointer towards no MOO and would help your case.
9. Is travel or expense a factor one way or another?

There are bound to be other factors as well. But most of this stuff can only be answered by you, and only you can decide how much weight to put on each of them. Sometimes it helps to list the pros and cons and the importance/weight you give each of them.

If the client is happy with you, they will be expecting you to stay. But you are operating a business, and you have no legal obligation to stay. Rarely will there be any kind of moral obligation to stay, either. But there might be reasons, for your own peace of mind or for long-term client relationships, to stay even if it isn't better financially in the short term.

[SlipTheJab]

Not cool cojak.

I always think well they know how long the project is for. If they want me to stay absolutely until the end then offer me a contract for that length, no get out etc for me (And be willing to pay for it).

If you offer 3 months because you want to see how things are budgetwise knowing full well its likely to run for 6 months, then its tough tittie if contractor leaves after 3 months.....

In your case though, I would not have been pleased....

Indeed I always find it bemusing when a client can't fathom why you're refusing an extension they are so very kindly offering you (especially when the project is a car crash waiting to happen). Just had the same, 15+ UK devs now down to 3, almost everything offshored, new CTO has gone on record to say that he hates contractors and want a small permie team overseeing an army of (not very good Indian) devs, offered another 6 months as they havent been able to hire any permies due to numerous factors. Couldn't understand why I said no

[psychocandy]

Not cool cojak.

I always think well they know how long the project is for. If they want me to stay absolutely until the end then offer me a contract for that length, no get out etc for me (And be willing to pay for it).

If you offer 3 months because you want to see how things are budgetwise knowing full well its likely to run for 6 months, then its tough tittie if contractor leaves after 3 months.....

In your case though, I would not have been pleased....

[cojak]

I used to show loyalty to the project and client by accepting extensions until the job was done, rejecting other decent contracts in the name of professionalism.

The last time I did this I passed a great local contract in favour of transitioning a project from design into build stage.

A month after I extended the buggers cancelled my project (which had blown a couple of million up to that point). I tidied up for a couple of weeks after and then terminated the contract.

So my professionalism now only extends to not leaving until the end of the contract. What I decide to do after that must be to the benefit of myco.

[Untouchable1]

Hi,

I'm currently mid contract. The role has been interesting and I've learnt a fair bit.

The contract runs to Oct.

The main body of the work will be complete by then (i.e. v1 delivered) but there will be additional work to do (i.e. rolling out system across other countries). I don't think I'll find this bit as intersting or learn as much.

What is the industry expectation on this? Ok to walk (in line with contract) or should stay for a few more months to get the job propely finished?

Perhaps this can only be judged on a case by case basis - but keen to know your thoughts anyway.

Untouchable1