Reply to: Dover let down by the French. Again.

[NotAllThere]

If Brexit had almost no effect on tourism then why is the DM and Express ranting on how the lack of freedom of movement is pissing off British Tourists going to the EU

To pander to their pro-brexit readership. E.g. vetran.

[Paddy]

Again Brexit had almost no effect on tourism over the last few years as we were closed due to COVID.

Currently the travel companies have no staff because they fired them all during ..... COVID. No one is moving and they can't get their bags regardless of where they are going that isn't due to Brexit.

Now Brexit might well have an effect as we get back to normal and that legislation needs looking at if as suggested its having a negative effect that we didn't expect or want.

If Brexit had almost no effect on tourism then why is the DM and Express ranting on how the lack of freedom of movement is pissing off British Tourists going to the EU

[vetran]

I'm having difficulty with figures so I pushed the crayons up my nose.

have a look at the links !

[vetran]

You are sticking your head in the sand regarding Brexit caused issues. Even the most fervent Brexit supporting politicians are admitting tourism is hit by Brexit.

Again Brexit had almost no effect on tourism over the last few years as we were closed due to COVID.

Currently the travel companies have no staff because they fired them all during ..... COVID. No one is moving and they can't get their bags regardless of where they are going that isn't due to Brexit.

Now Brexit might well have an effect as we get back to normal and that legislation needs looking at if as suggested its having a negative effect that we didn't expect or want.

[WTFH]

that was the drop in tourism in the official figures.

I was taking the mick out of Paddy him thinking that such legislation would affect more than a few tens of thousand.

You do sound like some old man stuck on defending the same point you know you have already have lost on.

You claim it is all down to Brexit without any proof.

I, the UN and ONS claim it was Covid.

I think you need to provide some proof for your deranged nattering, or admit defeat.

You say that there's been a drop in tourism in 2022 of 3 million? So early in the year.

Or are you still obsessed with 2021, while ignoring any figures for 2022?

The UN and ONS have not published figures for 2022 yet, only the port of dover - the figures YOU linked to, that was the basis of YOUR argument. Then when the facts were pointed out to you, you decided to ignore the facts of the port of dover figures as it upset you too much, which raised your blood pressure, led to your usual tactic of name calling and deflection.
Is high blood pressure, rudeness, and refusal to accept facts a sign of COVID, or a trait of something else?

[Paddy]

From your links



So what about the other 2 million? And would they send their children in the height of COVID?

I wasn't aware it was as high as that. I'm prepared to admit this might need looking at now but over the past 2 years it wasn't an issue. Or do you believe when France & Germany were shut for COVID they were arranging school trips?

But as WTFH would say "W.W.hat about Q1 2020????????"

You are sticking your head in the sand regarding Brexit caused issues. Even the most fervent Brexit supporting politicians are admitting tourism is hit by Brexit.

[vetran]

https://www.ft.com/content/3a903e3f-...6-012af4582196





https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...k-slump-brexit




https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...-rules-301298/

etc, etc, etc...

From your links

Continental schools typically sent about a million pupils to the UK each year on organised trips, Jones said, with France and Germany alone accounting for 850,000. But for the February to June season, it was now clear that schools across the continent had “completely abandoned the UK for other countries”, she said.

So what about the other 2 million? And would they send their children in the height of COVID?

I wasn't aware it was as high as that. I'm prepared to admit this might need looking at now but over the past 2 years it wasn't an issue. Or do you believe when France & Germany were shut for COVID they were arranging school trips?

But as WTFH would say "W.W.hat about Q1 2020????????"

[Paddy]

that was the drop in tourism in the official figures.

I was taking the mick out of Paddy him thinking that such legislation would affect more than a few tens of thousand.

You do sound like some old man stuck on defending the same point you know you have already have lost on.

You claim it is all down to Brexit without any proof.

I, the UN and ONS claim it was Covid.

I think you need to provide some proof for your deranged nattering, or admit defeat.

https://www.ft.com/content/3a903e3f-...6-012af4582196

Post-Brexit changes to UK immigration rules mean EU schoolchildren can no longer travel on group passports

Post-Brexit changes to Britain’s immigration rules have triggered an unprecedented collapse in bookings for school trips from the continent, organisers say, with countries such as Ireland and the Netherlands now more popular than the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...k-slump-brexit

School trips to UK dying out due to post-Brexit immigration rules

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...-rules-301298/

etc, etc, etc...

[vetran]

3 million happened when? So far this year, or are you still obsessed with 2021, because you don't like reality?

Can you tell me when the last time we had 3 million foreign exchange students coming to the UK?

that was the drop in tourism in the official figures.

I was taking the mick out of Paddy him thinking that such legislation would affect more than a few tens of thousand.

You do sound like some old man stuck on defending the same point you know you have already have lost on.

You claim it is all down to Brexit without any proof.

I, the UN and ONS claim it was Covid.

I think you need to provide some proof for your deranged nattering, or admit defeat.

[WTFH]

ah so 3 million foreign exchange trips didn't happen that explains the figures.

You know the schools were closed on both sides almost from the off because of COVID? In the UK it was initially key workers only, just like nurseries & child minders.

I remember travelling to France repeatedly at the ages of 12-15 that was a few decades ago I needed a passport, it wasn't that much of an issue.

3 million happened when? So far this year, or are you still obsessed with 2021, because you don't like reality?

Can you tell me when the last time we had 3 million foreign exchange students coming to the UK?

[vetran]

In large font so Vetran can understand

COVID did not make the UK insist that school kids from the EU must have passports instead of ID cards thus virtually killing off school trips from the EU

ah so 3 million foreign exchange trips didn't happen that explains the figures.

You know the schools were closed on both sides almost from the off because of COVID? In the UK it was initially key workers only, just like nurseries & child minders.

I remember travelling to France repeatedly at the ages of 12-15 that was a few decades ago I needed a passport, it wasn't that much of an issue.

[Paddy]

I said comparing 2020 to 2022.

You really are that stuck that you don't even want read.

I say 2020/22 you claim I'm saying 2020/21



What COVID restrictions were in place in January 2022?
Of all the links in your quote, how many have figures for Q1 2022?
How many of your links are about 2021?

In large font so Vetran can understand

COVID did not make the UK insist that school kids from the EU must have passports instead of ID cards thus virtually killing off school trips from the EU

[WTFH]

no I gave you 2021 and 2020 by inference and the statista go back to 1997. Try reading the links.

if you are having trouble with that I suggest you put down the sharp objects!

Have you got any figures or reputable analysis that supports your rather weird view?

The figures in my table a few rants of yours ago, those were from the Port of Dover - the link you provided

I looked at Q1 2020 and Q1 2022.

But you're obsessed with 2021 and Covid.
Try reading the information.

[vetran]

I said comparing 2020 to 2022.

You really are that stuck that you don't even want read.

I say 2020/22 you claim I'm saying 2020/21



What COVID restrictions were in place in January 2022?
Of all the links in your quote, how many have figures for Q1 2022?
How many of your links are about 2021?

no I gave you 2021 and 2020 by inference and the statista go back to 1997. Try reading the links.

if you are having trouble with that I suggest you put down the sharp objects!

Have you got any figures or reputable analysis that supports your rather weird view?

[WTFH]

I said comparing 2020 to 2022.

You really are that stuck that you don't even want read.

I say 2020/22 you claim I'm saying 2020/21

COVID

There you go in big letters

Do please explain how Brexit managed such decimation amongst tourism? Which law change stopped everyone going abroad for holiday? Or coming here?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...veltrends/2021

From the ONS's mouth



must be Brexit

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ed-kingdom-uk/

oh look Brexit again

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-uk-residents/



How if trade with the EU is higher than ever before has Brexit changed it so negatively?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...y-trade-value/

Exports are also higher than 2015. Odd really I thought we were going to be living caves by now!


I have an image of you in the corner of a padded room repeating over and over again "I have a small willy because of Brexit"

What COVID restrictions were in place in January 2022?
Of all the links in your quote, how many have figures for Q1 2022?
How many of your links are about 2021?