Reply to: BoJo refuses to give full diplomatic status to EU ambassador

[AtW]

What let us invade Sudetenland & Czechoslovakia so we don't invade Poland?

No, the choice was to appease aggressor to start bigger war later vs starting war earlier against weaker aggressor (who might have backed off).

[Mordac]

Oh its so confusing isn't it? The UK is a country and the EU isn't.

By the way they haven't refused to recognise an EU ambassador, just not to give them the same diplomatic privileges as a country's Ambassador as per the treaties we signed.

Of course the EU is a country - although they dare not admit it yet, in case 400 million people don't like the idea of permanently having an unelected government. Although it solves the problem of people moving freely without being able to vote in the general elections of the nations they have moved to. Simply render national elections irrelevant. I'm sure that was part of the plan.

[Eirikur]

Can you explain why Britain insists that it has ambassadors to the OECD and WTO and expects them to have full diplomatic status – not paying local taxes, the CD number plate, and other assorted rights? The UK insists its head of delegation to the World Bank and the IMF also have ambassadorial status.

It has echoes of this: US bumps EU diplomatic status back up after downgrade – POLITICO

and NATO and the UN

As set out in the "Agreement on the Status of NATO, National Representatives and International Staff" (signed at Ottawa in 1951), all members of national delegations shall enjoy the same immunities and privileges as diplomatic representatives. These include: immunity from personal arrest or detention; immunity from legal process in respect of words spoken or written or acts done in an official capacity; and inviolability for all papers and documents. A full list of privileges and immunities can be found in Article XIII of the agreement.

NATO - Topic: National delegations to NATO

All countries of course

[darmstadt]

Oh its so confusing isn't it? The UK is a country and the EU isn't.

By the way they haven't refused to recognise an EU ambassador, just not to give them the same diplomatic privileges as a country's Ambassador as per the treaties we signed.

Can you explain why Britain insists that it has ambassadors to the OECD and WTO and expects them to have full diplomatic status – not paying local taxes, the CD number plate, and other assorted rights? The UK insists its head of delegation to the World Bank and the IMF also have ambassadorial status.

It has echoes of this: US bumps EU diplomatic status back up after downgrade – POLITICO

[vetran]

how TF would You know FFS?

its what Nuttina is used to, behave or get the duct tape!

[vetran]

UK names Brexit negotiator as new EU ambassador – POLITICO

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Oh its so confusing isn't it? The UK is a country and the EU isn't.

By the way they haven't refused to recognise an EU ambassador, just not to give them the same diplomatic privileges as a country's Ambassador as per the treaties we signed.

[BR14]

Most of real life choices are like that

how TF would You know FFS?

[darmstadt]

UK names Brexit negotiator as new EU ambassador – POLITICO

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[vetran]

Most of real life choices are like that

What let us invade Sudetenland & Czechoslovakia so we don't invade Poland?

[AtW]

They don't need to be 'happy with it' they just need to be convinced that the alternative is worse.

Most of real life choices are like that

[Mordac]

Shouldn't it be either ambassadors from individual nations OR an EU ambassador? It isn't usual for national groups to have ambassadors. Don't think we have NATO, UN etc ambassadors do we?

Maybe it's not that important provided the individual EU nations are happy with the EU "ambassador" acting on their behalf but doubt it will be that simple. Will Hungary or Poland be happy with it?

PS Just realised MuckyLady said much the same thing earlier.

They don't need to be 'happy with it' they just need to be convinced that the alternative is worse. This is how the EU is going to operate going forward.

[vetran]

Shouldn't it be either ambassadors from individual nations OR an EU ambassador? It isn't usual for national groups to have ambassadors. Don't think we have NATO, UN etc ambassadors do we?

Maybe it's not that important provided the individual EU nations are happy with the EU "ambassador" acting on their behalf but doubt it will be that simple. Will Hungary or Poland be happy with it?

PS Just realised MuckyLady said much the same thing earlier.

Nah it seems to be You will do as you are told, sound familiar?

[xoggoth]

Shouldn't it be either ambassadors from individual nations OR an EU ambassador? It isn't usual for national groups to have ambassadors. Don't think we have NATO, UN etc ambassadors do we?

Maybe it's not that important provided the individual EU nations are happy with the EU "ambassador" acting on their behalf but doubt it will be that simple. Will Hungary or Poland be happy with it?

PS Just realised MuckyLady said much the same thing earlier.

[vetran]

Only to people who have no understanding of how the international diplomatic system works. But, you know, there's a straw - try to get a grip on it.

Well to get full rights as an ambassador you need to be a nation state and the EU want full rights they need to be a nation state or the UK needs to change its mind. You can't expect to insist we treat you in a certain way if it is illegal, we aren't AtW's squirrels!

[NotAllThere]

You're missing the point here. The EU thinks of itself as a nation state (it is in all but name in fact) and by having a diplomatic relationship with three-quarters of the world means there won't be much of a fuss* when they declare the EU to be the sovereign government in all matters over all members. We can debate when that will happen, but not whether it will (they are about 80% of the way there now). Brexit will probably turn out to accelerate the process, since members who do not accept EU supremacy will be told that they can leave, but they will have all the difficulties imposed on the UK, plus they would have to extricate themselves from the Euro.

*Except when 450 million people suddenly realise they no longer get to vote for their national government, assuming they actually care.

The EU loves them, they love the EU they won't cotton on until they realise the EU is a vengeful God.

Sheesh. You're making me blush. Get a room!