Reply to: Brexit fury as EU judges' orders to be enforceable in UK

[AtW]

OTOH a lot more of the catch is to be landed in the UK, which means there is a starting point for UK Fisheries to build on.

COTY post!

[malvolio]

of course

Angry, disappointed and betrayed’: Fishing industry attacks Johnson over Brexit trade deal

...and if the UK strays from the straight and narrow the EU will be down on them like a ton of bricks. So sayeth the trade deal.

Yeah yeah. We don't actually have a fishing industry, all that's happening right now is the people who wanted to take over the licences at bargain basement prices won't be able to for a few more years. Nothing to do with the very few trading fishermen (almost all of whom are in Scotland, whic is opposed to accepting the deal anyway - according to Wee Burnie).

OTOH a lot more of the catch is to be landed in the UK, which means there is a starting point for UK Fisheries to build on.

[BlasterBates]

Jesus.

We used to be the lunatics.

Whatever, I'm looking forward to see the implementation of it in the coming months.

If it all goes smoothly there will barely be a ripple in the press and everyone will have a great time in the pub discussing their new found sovereignty.

[minestrone]

Expert on Talk Radio just confirmed if the UK opts in to any of the EU programmes outlined in the deal then the ECJ comes back into play. That is to be negotiated in the coming weeks, months etc. The deal just states that's what happens if the UK opts in.

"Fireworks"

Jesus.

We used to be the lunatics.

[AtW]

Metric ton of bricks

[BlasterBates]

Someone else who doesn't understand gamesmanship. And it was the EU that caved, not the UK

of course

Angry, disappointed and betrayed’: Fishing industry attacks Johnson over Brexit trade deal

...and if the UK strays from the straight and narrow the EU will be down on them like a ton of bricks. So sayeth the trade deal.

[AtW]

Someone else who doesn't understand gamesmanship. And it was the EU that caved, not the UK

[malvolio]

It was interesting though to see Boris do a U turn on the internal market bill after the EU read him the riot act.

A sign of things to come that the UK can't simply do what it likes.

UK MUST follow EU rules! Leo Varadkar says Brussels has power to BLOCK Britain from market

The more you look into it the more it appears like "Associate Membership"

Someone else who doesn't understand gamesmanship. And it was the EU that caved, not the UK

[BlasterBates]

Expert on Talk Radio just confirmed if the UK opts in to any of the EU programmes outlined in the deal then the ECJ comes back into play. That is to be negotiated in the coming weeks, months etc. The deal just states that's what happens if the UK opts in.

"Fireworks"

[BlasterBates]

It was interesting though to see Boris do a U turn on the internal market bill after the EU read him the riot act.

A sign of things to come that the UK can't simply do what it likes.

UK MUST follow EU rules! Leo Varadkar says Brussels has power to BLOCK Britain from market

The more you look into it the more it appears like "Associate Membership"

[clearedforlanding]

but it also says "stemming from the Union", which our stuff doesn't. It also says "other than states", so it applies only to organisations and individuals. IT also doesn't say "enforceable", implying that the decisions may be binding but they can't do much about it other than refusing that particular piece of business.

I also suspect you will find the same wording in their existing trade agreements with states other than the UK.

Or do you really seriously believe that our team failed to discuss the matter of mutuality and penalties, thinking perhaps that there is no place for such debate in formulating and agreeing an overarching trade agreement?

As I said earlier - you choose your own viewpoint if it makes you happy. As will I.

I am not sure this would be suprising.

[malvolio]

I believe the text in the trade agreement.



As the trade agreement says, decisions by the European Commission will be enforceable in the UK.

but it also says "stemming from the Union", which our stuff doesn't. It also says "other than states", so it applies only to organisations and individuals. IT also doesn't say "enforceable", implying that the decisions may be binding but they can't do much about it other than refusing that particular piece of business.

I also suspect you will find the same wording in their existing trade agreements with states other than the UK.

Or do you really seriously believe that our team failed to discuss the matter of mutuality and penalties, thinking perhaps that there is no place for such debate in formulating and agreeing an overarching trade agreement?

As I said earlier - you choose your own viewpoint if it makes you happy. As will I.

[Old Greg]

I believe the text in the trade agreement.



As the trade agreement says, decisions by the European Commission will be enforceable in the UK.

Mal doesn’t like believing that sort of thing.

[AtW]

No it's not. Even if it were, the UK will be in a position to ignore the ECJ, just like it can ignore every other national judiciary if it chooses.

Yeah, that works well.

[BlasterBates]

No it's not. Even if it were, the UK will be in a position to ignore the ECJ, just like it can ignore every other national judiciary if it chooses. These are about arbitrated trading arrangements, not laws.

But hey, you believe what you like if it makes you happy.

I believe the text in the trade agreement.

Decisions adopted by the European Commission imposing a pecuniary obligation on legal or natural persons other than States in relation to any claims stemming from Union programmes, activities, actions or projects shall be enforceable in the United Kingdom

As the trade agreement says, decisions by the European Commission will be enforceable in the UK.