Reply to: Surprised the Vetran Wail Reporter hasn't mentioned this one yet.

[woohoo]

Did you read the literature review linked to from the article?

http://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf

You have to work really hard to make a case against face masks. It's hard to see how you end up there without starting from a political position of not wanting masks (muzzles) and then trying to cherry pick evidence to justify your position.

By the way, when you say "compelling evidence", are you looking for 100% certainty? Because you won't get that in a fast-moving pandemic.

I read the article, most of it was was about size of droplets, reduced spread etc - which I'm happy to agree with. I have no issues with that at all.

The article then pointed out how rates are lower in Asian countries that tend to wear masks. They also pointed out when masks are made mandatory Covid rates drop in a couple of examples.

Having read about Asia (cant remember which specific country) they have a whole different culture when it comes to disinfecting, washing hands and wearing masks. What's not clear is if masks are responsible for their reduced rates. Or is it everything else, like washing their hands more frequently.

Rates may drop when masks are introduced because other measures are introduced at the same time, restrictions on movement. Increase in media coverage etc.

I'm not an expert on this, I've just listened to three different professors over the weeks, say there isn't any compelling evidence, and wearing masks by the public may actually increase the spread (again, evidence is not compelling for this).

So, I think when people get judgemental and start calling others names for not wanting to wear masks its worth remembering that we don't really know how good or bad they are.

I have a cool green mask with swappable filters, which I quite like, no axe to grind.

[Old Greg]

The article was interesting but its not compelling evidence. I agree that masks may reduce the volume and size of droplets etc.

Thats not the issue, people wearing ill fitting masks, reusing them, adjusting the masks so touching their faces, surfaces and spreading the virus means its not so clear cut.

Did you read the literature review linked to from the article?

http://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf

You have to work really hard to make a case against face masks. It's hard to see how you end up there without starting from a political position of not wanting masks (muzzles) and then trying to cherry pick evidence to justify your position.

By the way, when you say "compelling evidence", are you looking for 100% certainty? Because you won't get that in a fast-moving pandemic.

[WTFH]

WTFH is beyond parody. I think he's admin's sockie.

Fook off Gricer.

[NotAllThere]

You mean when you start a post directly attacking another poster I'm not allowed to take the mick of the nobrainer 3? Where is NAT when you need him?

But you are the Vetran Wail Reporter. Anyway, nowadays I change the title to mock the OP. WTFH is beyond parody. I think he's admin's sockie.

[woohoo]

So what? Buy a mask making company, wear masks. There's even less evidence that public mask wearing will increase the rates of infection. If it makes people happy, it's not exactly a massive inconvenience.

I have masks, several and at a rip off price.

What i do object to is this sanctimonious and righteous judgement handed out to people that are not wearing masks. There is no compelling evidence either way.

So stop being so judgemental. Understand if you are wearing a mask its because the government thinks you are more likely to go back to work, to shop and to spend.

[woohoo]

The evidence is compelling enough.

Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus | UC San Francisco

The article was interesting but its not compelling evidence. I agree that masks may reduce the volume and size of droplets etc.

Thats not the issue, people wearing ill fitting masks, reusing them, adjusting the masks so touching their faces, surfaces and spreading the virus means its not so clear cut.

[NotAllThere]

No compelling evidence that the public wearing masks will reduce the rates of infection.

So what? Buy a mask making company, wear masks. There's even less evidence that public mask wearing will increase the rates of infection. If it makes people happy, it's not exactly a massive inconvenience.

[Old Greg]

Yeah sorry I am alright now.


I glanced at the headlines on the Manchester Slaver in a shop earlier and needed my safe space. Normal service now resumed.

That's good.

[vetran]

That sounds really unfair. Are you OK?

Yeah sorry I am alright now.


I glanced at the headlines on the Manchester Slaver in a shop earlier and needed my safe space. Normal service now resumed.

[Old Greg]

You mean when you start a post directly attacking another poster I'm not allowed to take the mick of the nobrainer 3? Where is NAT when you need him?

That sounds really unfair. Are you OK?

[WTFH]

You mean when you start a post directly attacking another poster I'm not allowed to take the mick of the nobrainer 3? Where is NAT when you need him?

I don't think it was directly attacking you. Ann Widdecombe, possibly, but not you.

Unless, of course, you are outing yourself as being Ms Widdecombe. Which could explain a lot.

[vetran]

FTFY

Poor ickle snowflake, so easily offended.

You mean when you start a post directly attacking another poster I'm not allowed to take the mick of the nobrainer 3? Where is NAT when you need him?

[WTFH]

That's not a nice way to talk about MasterBates & Darmy!

FTFY

Poor ickle snowflake, so easily offended.

[vetran]

You mean in the same way I support this forum, moderating the spam?

That's not a nice way to talk about MasterBates & Darmy!

[WTFH]

Why would i support anything so stupid? That is your job!

You mean in the same way I support this forum, moderating the spam?