Reply to: Oh dear

[Gibbon]

Glad we almost agree on something. PR is more democratic if you only care about party representation, whereas if you care about the individual who represents you then you need FTFP. Those were able to elect Martin Bell in Tatton all those years ago will be able to spot the difference.

As will those who ousted Ed Balls ( Clue, I helped ) which would have never happened with PR.

[BrilloPad]

So would you be happy for foreign parties to come over here?

That sounds good! Can we have the wee krankie in England please? I reckon she is the best politican in the UK right now.

Which is a bit like saying Syphilisis the best STI to have....

[Mordac]

True enough. That’ll be one of those arguments about whether FPTP or PR are more “democratic”, given the party lists are out of our control.

Glad we almost agree on something. PR is more democratic if you only care about party representation, whereas if you care about the individual who represents you then you need FTFP. Those were able to elect Martin Bell in Tatton all those years ago will be able to spot the difference.

[meridian]

Not under PR. Parties choose which of their candidates become MEPs, depending on the proportion of votes received by the party. You could always abstain completely, but you can't actively vote against an individual candidate, as you could with FPTP.

True enough. That’ll be one of those arguments about whether FPTP or PR are more “democratic”, given the party lists are out of our control.

[meridian]

Oh dear

No I cannot vote for any party I like - can I?

As I am pretty sure that only british parties are on my euro voting form.

It shouldn’t need to be spelled out for you, but are Plaid Cymru or SNP on your list of British parties on your U.K. GE voting form?

You can vote for any party you like, if they choose to stand in your region. Just like any election.

(Edit: technically, the party you voted for that nominated the candidate for Commission President is the Tory party. The nominee was selected by the Council, which itself is made up of the democratically elected leaders of each country,)

[Diver]

So would you be happy for foreign parties to come over here?

They already do, which is why Brexit happened (at some indefinable point in the far distant future. Maybe)

[Mordac]

That’s not how it works. The EU democratic system is not copied from the U.K. system.

Any party you like. If they command a majority then they can vote against her nomination in the European Parliament.

Citizens can remove MEPs at the next EP election. MEPs can veto the candidate for Commission President. The Commission President’s term is only 5 years anyway so confirms to the same timeframe as a standard GE.

Not under PR. Parties choose which of their candidates become MEPs, depending on the proportion of votes received by the party. You could always abstain completely, but you can't actively vote against an individual candidate, as you could with FPTP.

[WTFH]

As I am pretty sure that only british parties are on my euro voting form.

So would you be happy for foreign parties to come over here?

[original PM]

Any party you like. If they command a majority then they can vote against her nomination in the European Parliament.

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No I cannot vote for any party I like - can I?

As I am pretty sure that only british parties are on my euro voting form.

[meridian]

Oh dear

Can you tell me which party I voted for in the euro elections which now has Ursula as the head?

That’s not how it works. The EU democratic system is not copied from the U.K. system.

When I next get to vote in the euro elections (assuming we get another go) which party can i vote for which will remove her from that position?

Any party you like. If they command a majority then they can vote against her nomination in the European Parliament.

Those citizens can remove the new leader (and his whole cabinet government) at the next general election. A tradition we have had going since 1918.

Citizens can remove MEPs at the next EP election. MEPs can veto the candidate for Commission President. The Commission President’s term is only 5 years anyway so confirms to the same timeframe as a standard GE.

[BrilloPad]

Those citizens can remove the new leader (and his whole cabinet government) at the next general election. A tradition we have had going since 1918.

I agree about priministerial switcheroos being dodgy. The office should have fallen to the deputy prime minister, but we haven't had once since 2015.

Nick Clegg as PM!

[unixman]

In 3 weeks, 60,000,000 UK citizens will be informed of their new leader's name. So where is our democracy of last 100 years?

Those citizens can remove the new leader (and his whole cabinet government) at the next general election. A tradition we have had going since 1918.

I agree about prime ministerial switcheroos being dodgy. The office should have fallen to the deputy prime minister, but the office is optional and we haven't had a DP since 2015. They should be mandatory.

[original PM]

In 3 weeks, 60,000,000 UK citizens will be informed of their new leader's name. So where is our democracy of last 100 years?

Can you tell me which party I voted for in the euro elections which now has Ursula as the head?

The tories have been voted in by the UK democratic process - if they need to change their leadership then so be it not a lot we can do and unless there is a huge chunk of dissatisfaction with the new leader then a GE would not be called early.

When I next get to vote in the euro elections (assuming we get another go) which party can i vote for which will remove her from that position?

[Gibbon]

In 3 weeks, 60,000,000 UK citizens will be informed of their new leader's name. So where is our democracy of last 100 years?

Gordon Brown?

[NotAllThere]

In 3 weeks, 60,000,000 UK citizens will be informed of their new leader's name. So where is our democracy of last 100 years?

Not even elected by parliament (though will need majority parliamentary approval, or fail a vote of no confidence), but by a few tens of thousands Tory party members.