Oh dear

[unixman]

In 3 weeks, 60,000,000 UK citizens will be informed of their new leader's name. So where is our democracy of last 100 years?

Those citizens can remove the new leader (and his whole cabinet government) at the next general election. A tradition we have had going since 1918.

I agree about prime ministerial switcheroos being dodgy. The office should have fallen to the deputy prime minister, but the office is optional and we haven't had a DP since 2015. They should be mandatory.

[BrilloPad]

Those citizens can remove the new leader (and his whole cabinet government) at the next general election. A tradition we have had going since 1918.

I agree about priministerial switcheroos being dodgy. The office should have fallen to the deputy prime minister, but we haven't had once since 2015.

Nick Clegg as PM!

[meridian]

Oh dear

Can you tell me which party I voted for in the euro elections which now has Ursula as the head?

That’s not how it works. The EU democratic system is not copied from the U.K. system.

When I next get to vote in the euro elections (assuming we get another go) which party can i vote for which will remove her from that position?

Any party you like. If they command a majority then they can vote against her nomination in the European Parliament.

Those citizens can remove the new leader (and his whole cabinet government) at the next general election. A tradition we have had going since 1918.

Citizens can remove MEPs at the next EP election. MEPs can veto the candidate for Commission President. The Commission President’s term is only 5 years anyway so confirms to the same timeframe as a standard GE.

[original PM]

Any party you like. If they command a majority then they can vote against her nomination in the European Parliament.

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No I cannot vote for any party I like - can I?

As I am pretty sure that only british parties are on my euro voting form.

[WTFH]

As I am pretty sure that only british parties are on my euro voting form.

So would you be happy for foreign parties to come over here?

[Mordac]

That’s not how it works. The EU democratic system is not copied from the U.K. system.

Any party you like. If they command a majority then they can vote against her nomination in the European Parliament.

Citizens can remove MEPs at the next EP election. MEPs can veto the candidate for Commission President. The Commission President’s term is only 5 years anyway so confirms to the same timeframe as a standard GE.

Not under PR. Parties choose which of their candidates become MEPs, depending on the proportion of votes received by the party. You could always abstain completely, but you can't actively vote against an individual candidate, as you could with FPTP.

[Diver]

So would you be happy for foreign parties to come over here?

They already do, which is why Brexit happened (at some indefinable point in the far distant future. Maybe)

[meridian]

Oh dear

No I cannot vote for any party I like - can I?

As I am pretty sure that only british parties are on my euro voting form.

It shouldn’t need to be spelled out for you, but are Plaid Cymru or SNP on your list of British parties on your U.K. GE voting form?

You can vote for any party you like, if they choose to stand in your region. Just like any election.

(Edit: technically, the party you voted for that nominated the candidate for Commission President is the Tory party. The nominee was selected by the Council, which itself is made up of the democratically elected leaders of each country,)

[meridian]

Not under PR. Parties choose which of their candidates become MEPs, depending on the proportion of votes received by the party. You could always abstain completely, but you can't actively vote against an individual candidate, as you could with FPTP.

True enough. That’ll be one of those arguments about whether FPTP or PR are more “democratic”, given the party lists are out of our control.

[Mordac]

True enough. That’ll be one of those arguments about whether FPTP or PR are more “democratic”, given the party lists are out of our control.

Glad we almost agree on something. PR is more democratic if you only care about party representation, whereas if you care about the individual who represents you then you need FTFP. Those were able to elect Martin Bell in Tatton all those years ago will be able to spot the difference.