Reply to: Ford to axe 12,000 jobs!

[Old Greg]

...but keep their factory in Belgium.

Belgium has tariff free access to the EU?


How many car factories has Honda closed in its history?

[BlasterBates]

No... the EU trade deal with Japan has already led to the decision of Japanese manufacturers like Honda to abandon the UK.

...but keep their factory in Belgium.

[Platypus]

... and leaving has already led to the decision of Japanese manufacturers like Honda to abandon the UK.

No... the EU trade deal with Japan has already led to the decision of Japanese manufacturers like Honda to abandon the UK.

[AtW]

Yeah but who cares - auto industry will go bust anyway by 2200 at the latest, so why bother anyway?

[BlasterBates]

Honda had made the decision to close plants in the UK (March 2014) before the referendum so not a valid argument. They had been running down the Swindon plant for years, I used to contract for them.

The decision in 2014 was to scale back production. The decision to withdraw from the UK completely was taken this year, and is almost certainly due to the combination of Brexit and the EU-Japan trade deal.

[Diver]

... and leaving has already led to the decision of Japanese manufacturers like Honda to abandon the UK.

Honda had made the decision to close plants in the UK (March 2014) before the referendum so not a valid argument. They had been running down the Swindon plant for years, I used to contract for them.

[BlasterBates]

gearbox =! transmission.

So, your straw man is that Ford aren't going to produce internal combustion engines anymore, therefore there's nothing for the UK manufacturing business.
Is it because you don't think the UK is a capable country for manufacturing electric motors? I mean, based on your John Redwood list, once we're out of the EU we'll be brilliantly placed without all those barriers.
Why isn't Ford investing in electric motor and transmission manufacturing in the UK?
Go on, Mr Strawman, answer that simple one.



Can I prove anything would have happened if we had remained? No I can't. I can't PROVE it would be better, in the same way you can't prove it would be worse.
But since the referendum nothing has happened in the UK anyway, apart from further division.

Electric cars are less than 1% of all cars sold and that won't be changing soon, so when a factory closes it isn't because they're switching to manufacturing electric cars.

[WTFH]

You do realise they are significantly different from oil based ones? The motor is driven by this new thing called electricity there are no injectors or pistons, there is frequently one motor on each corner and the transmission is very short if there as a separate unit at all. In a hybrid the is a transmission its a legacy item needed for conversion.

gearbox =! transmission.

So, your straw man is that Ford aren't going to produce internal combustion engines anymore, therefore there's nothing for the UK manufacturing business.
Is it because you don't think the UK is a capable country for manufacturing electric motors? I mean, based on your John Redwood list, once we're out of the EU we'll be brilliantly placed without all those barriers.
Why isn't Ford investing in electric motor and transmission manufacturing in the UK?
Go on, Mr Strawman, answer that simple one.

Can you actually prove if we voted remain the factory would have stayed? Thought not!

do you have any more straw??

Can I prove anything would have happened if we had remained? No I can't. I can't PROVE it would be better, in the same way you can't prove it would be worse.
But since the referendum nothing has happened in the UK anyway, apart from further division.

[WTFH]

do you smell straw?

You're the one that linked to John Redwood's list of unrelated subjects, I just added a few more that are equally true.

[BlasterBates]

it may well be

How joining the EU led to a big decline in UK industry

... and leaving has already led to the decision of Japanese manufacturers like Honda to abandon the UK.

[vetran]

Don't forget that since we joined the EU, obesity and diabetes have increased massively.
Oh yeah, and before we joined the EU we had pounds, shillings and pence. In the last 40+ years it's been this "decimalised currency" stuff.
Before joining the EU, petrol was 55 pence a gallon.
etc.

do you smell straw?

[WTFH]

it may well be

How joining the EU led to a big decline in UK industry

Don't forget that since we joined the EU, obesity and diabetes have increased massively.
Oh yeah, and before we joined the EU we had pounds, shillings and pence. In the last 40+ years it's been this "decimalised currency" stuff.
Before joining the EU, petrol was 55 pence a gallon.
etc.

[vetran]

And post Brexit UK will be just the place to invest in for automotive manufacturing.

it may well be

How joining the EU led to a big decline in UK industry

Perhaps remain might like to answer the following questions:Why have we suffered industrial decline and closures with production shifting elsewhere in Europe since joining the EEC?
Why do trade in surplus with the rest of the world but have such a huge deficit with the EU?
Why have we ended up importing fish, electricity, steel and much else when we used to self sufficient?

[Diver]

I hope that there is going to be some dispensation for those of us with diesel guzzling multi-ton motorhomes!
A battery driven electric motors just won't cut it.

[vetran]

You realise that electric cars still have transmissions in them and motors?

You do realise they are significantly different from oil based ones? The motor is driven by this new thing called electricity there are no injectors or pistons, there is frequently one motor on each corner and the transmission is very short if there as a separate unit at all. In a hybrid the is a transmission its a legacy item needed for conversion.

here with pictures

Do Electric Cars Have Gears? No. Here's Why - The Green Optimistic

oh look a single gear

Ford Focus Electric - Wikipedia


and its likely that Ford will want to put them in low cost countries in eastern Europe probably with an EU grant like they have for the last few decades.

Yes if they stick with hybrids there will be transmission units & motors but most governments are forcing them to go Electric only.

Can you actually prove if we voted remain the factory would have stayed? Thought not!

do you have any more straw??