Excellent summary of why one MP will not vote for the Brexit withdrawal agreement

[GreenMirror]

The smart money is on the deal going through.

Markets assume the deal will go through on a second reading

When that happens the lyric in Rule Britannia "Britons never, never, never shall be slaves." will need to be revisited.

My advice is enjoy the short period of freedom after the first vote next week, and sing Rule Britannia whilst it's still valid.

You believe what an economist said?

Maybe you should try getting 10 opinions. Just ask 9 economists.

[BlasterBates]

The smart money is on the deal going through.

Markets assume the deal will go through on a second reading

When that happens the lyric in Rule Britannia "Britons never, never, never shall be slaves." will need to be revisited.

My advice is enjoy the short period of freedom after the first vote next week, and sing Rule Britannia whilst it's still valid.

[original PM]

The slave owners were compensated and not the slaves.About 19 billion in todays money and the slaves still had to work another 2 years.

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Take the emotion out of it - those slave owners purchased those slaves legitimately on a legal market - if retrospective legislation comes in which devalues your asset you are entitled to compensation.

Also remember those slaves were probably born as slaves and lived most of their lives as slaves and they were bought on the legal slave markets.

The compensation they get was emancipation.

[WTFH]

Slavery was a bad idea to start with and still is a bad idea, but at least Sean was able to twist an answer that was pointing out how a Brexit MP points out that Brexit is just going to drag on and on - back into one of his “let’s change the subject, I’ve lost more battles of wit than the French have wars”


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[Brussels Slumdog]

I am sure that much the same arguments were made against the abolition of slavery by reactionary dimwits like you......all that extra paperwork to do etc.

The slave owners were compensated and not the slaves.About 19 billion in todays money and the slaves still had to work another 2 years.

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[sasguru]

ftfy

QED.

[shaunbhoy]

Another Brexit thread with a typical pattern: The crux of the contention passing way over my empty little head because I am as thick as mince.

ftfy

[sasguru]

Another Brexit thread with a typical pattern: Brexiters shown to be thick as mince.

[meridian]

Brexit - Statement on the draft Withdrawal Agreement

Obviously I can't imagine any Remainers here will bother reading it, but if they do I'd be interested in what parts of it they consider wrong-headed given where we are now.

Some of it is okay. Some of it is contradictory waffle.

Colleagues have been assured throughout this process that ‘nothing would be agreed until everything is agreed’. I have always taken that to mean that no money would be handed over, nothing ultimately settled, until we had nailed down a binding legal agreement on the future relationship.

More fool her for believing her lying colleagues, she should have simply read A50. There is no requirement for a binding legal agreement on the future relationship for the UK to leave.

If either side wished to withdraw from the backstop arrangement, they would not be able to do so unilaterally.

I know also from my work on the International Trade Committee that technological and other solutions already exist to ensure no border infrastructure is required, and colleagues have long ago outlined these proposals to government.

If she already has the answer, perhaps she should have told her colleagues in the DExEU? If technological and other solutions already exist, then there is no need for the backstop to be triggered, and therefore the second half of her waffle is, well, waffle.


So, we know what she doesn't want (this WA and Chequers). What does she actually want, then? What is her version of the Withdrawal Agreement?

Brexiters are like a Product Owner that refuses to provide detailed requirements, waits for a lot of work to be completed, then just says "I don't want that" without giving any more detail on what they do want.

[shaunbhoy]

Brexit was a bad idea to start off with, and why it is still a bad idea.

I am sure that much the same arguments were made against the abolition of slavery by reactionary dimwits like you......all that extra paperwork to do etc.

[WTFH]

Brexit - Statement on the draft Withdrawal Agreement

Obviously I can't imagine any Remainers here will bother reading it, but if they do I'd be interested in what parts of it they consider wrong-headed given where we are now.

Sorry I'm not replying with the usual glut of cartoons and animations, but using text, I hope those who voted for Brexit are able to understand.

Paragraph 3:

On 29 March 2019, therefore, we shall technically leave the EU but enter straight into a transition/implementation period in which we shall be negotiating the future relationship. Since we do not know to what we are transitioning, I suspect the transition period will simply give us at least another eighteen months of political discord, confusion and parliamentary antics as the various factions vie for their desired outcome. Far from giving certainty to business, it will therefore merely delay vital decisions about our economic future.

After the months of campaigning about Brexit and the 28 months since the referendum, for someone who is pro-Brexit to admit that they "do not know" and that it will lead to "discord", "confusion" and uncertainty for businesses.

You're right, it's an excellent summary of why Brexit was a bad idea to start off with, and why it is still a bad idea.

[BlasterBates]

Holding a democratic vote is undemocratic.



Just one of the many contradictions of Brexit. Yeah sure it would be difficult to win a second time because the consequences of Brexit are lying all over the floor.

[darmstadt]

however I believe a clear majority of constituents understood the choices before them at the ballot box both in 2016 and 2017 and rightly expect those choices to be delivered upon

I don't think they did...

Julia Lopez voted against an energy price cap; against a properly resourced industrial strategy; against maintaining the benefits of the European Single Market and Customs Union; against maintaining the existing rights of EU nationals living in the UK and EU nationals living in the EU; against increased funding of public services; against scrapping university tuition fees; against restoring Education Maintenance Allowance, maintenance grants and nurses’ bursaries; against ending the public sector pay cap and against increasing the minimum wage.
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Although it's okay for her British-Australian (born in El Salvador) husband...

[Paddy]

Brexit - Statement on the draft Withdrawal Agreement

Obviously I can't imagine any Remainers here will bother reading it, but if they do I'd be interested in what parts of it they consider wrong-headed given where we are now.

The writer contradicts herself. Firstly she criticises the deal as not being legally binding but then she goes on to claim that the UK cannot legally leave the deal without permission from the EU.

[OwlHoot]

Brexit - Statement on the draft Withdrawal Agreement

Obviously I can't imagine any Remainers here will bother reading it, but if they do I'd be interested in what parts of it they consider wrong-headed given where we are now.