Reply to: Jaguar Land Rover says sales plunged 13.2%

[LondonManc]

Diesels have taken a hit across the board. Porsche will no longer be putting diesel power plants in their motors and people are turning away from it in general, especially with an increasing push towards hybrids and eventually electric. That with the fun people have with Jaguar DPFs if you're not doing the mileage and several of JLRs offerings in the top ten most nicked vehicles, there's less and less appeal. Wouldn't mind an ipace or fpace but don't fancy the price tag when comparing them to other offerings at the same price.

[darmstadt]

I don't want to be picky but the rest of us have moved on since two years ago. A lot of water has gone under the bridge.

So you have the figures for 2017-2018 then?

[Cirrus]

Are you sure about that? These are the figures for EU/EFTA 2016-2017

I don't want to be picky but the rest of us have moved on since two years ago. A lot of water has gone under the bridge.

[darmstadt]

I agree. JLR has mainly been hit in China. There has been a drop in Europe but the likes of Mercedes have been worse hit - mainly by having to change their poluting engines in a rush. From memory, UK sales are not down much at all, probably less than everyone else.

It is interesting that the media don't seem to be ofering any insight as to why JLR has caught a cold.

Are you sure about that? These are the figures for EU/EFTA 2016-2017 and you might notice that the only groups who had a decrease in sales were Ford, GM, Mazda, Honda, Mitsubishi and...JLR. Everyone had an increase on sales.

2017 (Full Year) Europe: Best-Selling Car Manufacturers and Brands - Car Sales Statistics

Worldwide seems to also bear this out:

[Old Greg]

I agree. JLR has mainly been hit in China. There has been a drop in Europe but the likes of Mercedes have been worse hit - mainly by having to change their poluting engines in a rush. From memory, UK sales are not down much at all, probably less than everyone else.

It is interesting that the media don't seem to be ofering any insight as to why JLR has caught a cold.

But the Brexiteers were celebrating the trashing of sterling as an export opportunity for the manufacturing sector.

[Cirrus]

It has nothing to do with Brexit - please move to general.

I agree. JLR has mainly been hit in China. There has been a drop in Europe but the likes of Mercedes have been worse hit - mainly by having to change their poluting engines in a rush. From memory, UK sales are not down much at all, probably less than everyone else.

It is interesting that the media don't seem to be ofering any insight as to why JLR has caught a cold.

[GreenMirror]

Or they're just overpriced and crap in general

You mean the posters in general?

Oh I see! You mean JLR cars are generally crap and overpriced. Not true. They are all overpriced and crap.

[WTFH]

This is a classic example of the difference between causation and correlation...

Someone also said that Brexit will cause a decline in investment in the UK car industry.

SO is the slump in JLR sales figures directly related to a lack of investment in the UK car industry?

No no it is not.

Ralf Speth has been saying for a while that Brexit may well cause a decline in the UK car industry (not necessarily "investment in" it)
Jaguar Land Rover warns Brexit 'no deal' would cost it 'tens of thousands of jobs'

The slump in JLR sales may not be related to lack of investment. It could be due to lack of design, lack of quality, uncompetitive pricing, poor exchange rates, bad decisions, etc.

JLR are investing in the car industry, just not in the UK.

They are also moving 100% of Discovery production to Slovakia.
They currently have the i-pace (electric), which is manufactured by Magna-Steyr in Austria.
They don't produce electric cars in the UK.
They have committed to only produce electric or hybrid cars by 2020.

[original PM]

This is a classic example of the difference between causation and correlation

The decline of the sales of JLR are nothing to do with Brexit - people are simply not buying JLR cars for various reasons.

Someone also said that Brexit will cause a decline in investment in the UK car industry.

SO is the slump in JLR sales figures directly related to a lack of investment in the UK car industry?

No no it is not.

[BlasterBates]

Prediction:

Investment in the car industry predicted to crash as a result of Brexit

Reality:

Brexit killing the car manufacturing industry

This now needs to remain firmly in the Brexit forum.

[Eirikur]

Didn't read the attached articles, but surely this is more to do with their cars being mainly diesel cars and the downturn in sales in diesels

Or they're just overpriced and crap in general

[BoredBloke]

Didn't read the attached articles, but surely this is more to do with their cars being mainly diesel cars and the downturn in sales in diesels

[original PM]

Why is this in the Brexit sub?

It has nothing to do with Brexit - please move to general.

[Zigenare]

Eurozone inflation rose to 2.2% in October, moving further away from the European Central Bank's target rate, as unemployment remained stable.

The rise from 2.1% in September was driven by higher energy prices and marks another step up from the ECB's aim of near or lower than 2%.

FTFY

[northernladuk]