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  • Mordac
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    Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
    The UK does have a constitution.
    We have an "unwritten*" constitution, which, pardon the expression, isn't worth the paper it isn't written on. What we have is implied, and based on historical Acts of Parliament (many going back to the 17th century), and even the Magna Carta.

    *Some don't like to use the phrase "unwritten constitution" because all the ancient laws and Parliamentary Acts which formed the conventions we regard as "constitutional" do (or did) actually exist on paper.
    Sometimes A Level history can be useful...

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  • Old Greg
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    Originally posted by Mordac View Post
    We don't have a constitution, so there are legally no circumstances whereby a referendum should be binding. However, if they wanted something non-binding, they should have commissioned a nationwide opinion poll. What is the point of a non-binding referendum, apart from being a massive waste of taxpayers money, and everyone's time?
    The UK does have a constitution.

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  • Mordac
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    Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
    I don't believe there should be a second referendum but if there were one, would it also be advisory?



    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/...22.pdf#page=32
    We don't have a constitution, so there are legally no circumstances whereby a referendum should be binding. However, if they wanted something non-binding, they should have commissioned a nationwide opinion poll. What is the point of a non-binding referendum, apart from being a massive waste of taxpayers money, and everyone's time?

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  • shaunbhoy
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    And then there is darmy.....a Remainer who (mostly) doesn't get it!

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  • darmstadt
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    I don't believe there should be a second referendum but if there were one, would it also be advisory?



    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/...22.pdf#page=32

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  • Old Greg
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    It is for the sovereign British parliament to decide whether there is a further referendum. If it decides there will be, the patriotic gammons will certainly celebrate such an expression of parliamentary sovereignty.

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by Mordac View Post
    The EU didn't exist in 1975. I thought we were trying to keep lies out of the discussion?
    Once EUSSR takes over the world all history books will be changed to say that EUSSR had been forever.

    HTH

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  • Mordac
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    What Brexit voters voted for is exactly the same as what they voted for in 1975, i.e. to remain members of the EU. They just didn't know it.

    Brexit SELL OUT as UK to REMAIN tied to EU rules in STITCH-UP

    I recommend this film if you want to avoid being stitched up in the future.

    The Sting (1973) - IMDb

    The EU didn't exist in 1975. I thought we were trying to keep lies out of the discussion?

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  • BlasterBates
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    What Brexit voters voted for is exactly the same as what they voted for in 1975, i.e. to remain members of the EU. They just didn't know it.

    Brexit SELL OUT as UK to REMAIN tied to EU rules in STITCH-UP

    I recommend this film if you want to avoid being stitched up in the future.

    The Sting (1973) - IMDb

    Last edited by BlasterBates; 21 October 2018, 09:58.

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by Mordac View Post
    Just to correct you, the 1975 wasn't a vote to join, it was a vote to remain (we joined on Jan 1st 1973).
    And in case you hadn't realised it, you have actually answered the question. We joined the EEC, an economic community. Now it has morphed itself into a Union, with the intention of becoming a single nation state, many of us no longer wish for the UK to be a member. By definition, the EEC and the EU are totally different entities, so the 1975 vote is irrelevant.

    You mean those that voted didn't understand what they voted for and we should have another vote ???? Disgusting!

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  • Mordac
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    Originally posted by Eirikur View Post
    There was one in the 1970s as well where the UK voted to join the EC, so using Brexiteer logic teh people had already spoken and the referendum in 2016 was undemocratic
    Just to correct you, the 1975 wasn't a vote to join, it was a vote to remain (we joined on Jan 1st 1973).
    And in case you hadn't realised it, you have actually answered the question. We joined the EEC, an economic community. Now it has morphed itself into a Union, with the intention of becoming a single nation state, many of us no longer wish for the UK to be a member. By definition, the EEC and the EU are totally different entities, so the 1975 vote is irrelevant.

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  • Eirikur
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    There was one in the 1970s as well where the UK voted to join the EC, so using Brexiteer logic teh people had already spoken and the referendum in 2016 was undemocratic

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  • sasguru
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    Originally posted by Mordac View Post
    I get it too.
    If there was a "People's Vote" or "2nd referendum" I would vote for a Hard Brexit.

    HTH, BIDI.

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  • Mordac
    started a topic Finally, a Remainer who (mostly) gets it

    Finally, a Remainer who (mostly) gets it

    And in the Graun of all places
    I won’t be marching for a people’s vote. There has already been one | Suzanne Moore | Opinion | The Guardian

    Well worth a read.
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