Reply to: Brexit plan was sold by liars and UK plan is unworkable, Macron says

[original PM]

You stick close to the warm loving embrace of Jacob and his hedge fund disaster capitalism. I am sure a man of your obvious talents will get his due.

I have altered the deal - pray I do not alter it any further....

[Old Greg]

Alrighty then lets stay in this abusive relationship because .. reasons..

I for one would yearn for the days when we had to pay mafia protection money because .. reasons.

You stick close to the warm loving embrace of Jacob and his hedge fund disaster capitalism. I am sure a man of your obvious talents will get his due.

[DimPrawn]

Screw the EUSSR. The UK will be 350 million per week richer with a jam, tea and biscuit centred export boom.

The UK holds all the cards.

Same old dull catch phrases.

[shaunbhoy]

People who voted Remain are not the same as europhiles.

The vote wasn't:

1) I like Europe so can I stay in the EU?
or
2) I don't like Europe so can I leave the EU?

It was

1) Do you want to stay where you are?
or
2) Do you want to leave where you are and go to some totally undefined (and unimaginable) place that we haven't got the faintest idea about because we don't know anything about what we're saying and we have told everybody else not to do any thinking/research/planning whatsoever? And we might press the button years before anybody has a chance of building a survival plan.

I had/have reservations about the EU and initially thought I would vote Leave. But that only lasted about 100 milliseconds before I noticed there was absolutely no viable scenario being described. The objection is not about whether it's a nice idea to be in or out of Europe. The objection is people voted for a ridiculous proposition. If you don't like the EU and you want to do something different then that's a choice you have a right to. What you Brexiteers didn't have a right to do was vote to destroy the country just because you were too thick and lazy to think things through and realise what was being offerred was complete nonsense. You didn't alternatively have the right to destroy the country by thinking "I know they're not telling us anything but I'm sure we'll be able to come up with a solution" despite the fact you had virtually zero idea of how massive and pervasive our connection to the EU is.

Uh-Oh!! Surrender Monkey Alert!!!

[vetran]

Ah - the I don't read posts properly normalcy

I'd love to go back to 1973 so we can join the EU without a vote again

FTFY

I didn't say go back to 1973 I said return to self determination like in 1973. (cue garbage posts about strikes etc).

[original PM]

Explain how it's abusive? This is a fallacy.

How is it protection money? We are paying for the benefits of being in the club. If we don't want to pay for any of these benefits going forward we can crash out with no deal and we won't have to pay. If we want to continue to receive benefits then we will have to pay something. And given it will cost us as a nation more to not be in the club than it costs us to be in the club, I would have thought it is good value for money. No?

The point I was trying to make is that you are saying we should stay in and continue to pay in and get less out because it is better than being out.

But the reason you say it is better than being out is because look at all the things we get when we stay in.

And I am not sure in this instance better the devil you know was a a good option.

Especially when that devil keeps changing the goal posts.

[Cirrus]

2) Do you want to leave where you are and go to some situation where the UK people have control, just like we did before 1973.

Ah - the Good Old Days grand self-delusion.

I'd love to go back to 1973 but unfortunately I did Physics so I know you can't travel back in time...

[Whorty]

Alrighty then lets stay in this abusive relationship because .. reasons..

I for one would yearn for the days when we had to pay mafia protection money because .. reasons.

Explain how it's abusive? This is a fallacy.

How is it protection money? We are paying for the benefits of being in the club. If we don't want to pay for any of these benefits going forward we can crash out with no deal and we won't have to pay. If we want to continue to receive benefits then we will have to pay something. And given it will cost us as a nation more to not be in the club than it costs us to be in the club, I would have thought it is good value for money. No?

[vetran]

It was

1) Do you want to stay as part of the EU while it develops its own political wing and Army. An organisation that wants to grow by acquiring more countries with cheap labour (even if it upsets the Russians). Where the major players are encouraging economic migrants to move to Europe and camp out at Camp Calais waiting for the first available lorry. Plus other stuff we have no idea about.
or
2) Do you want to leave where you are and go to some situation where the UK people have control, just like we did before 1973.

FTFY its all a matter of opinion.

[Eirikur]

Alrighty then lets stay in this abusive relationship because .. reasons..

I for one would yearn for the days when we had to pay mafia protection money because .. reasons.

Ok tell me what part of the UK-EU relationship was abusive (before the brexit vote)

[original PM]

People who voted Remain are not the same as europhiles.
/Snip/
ely have the right to destroy the country by thinking "I know they're not telling us anything but I'm sure we'll be able to come up with a solution" despite the fact you had virtually zero idea of how massive and pervasive our connection to the EU is.

Alrighty then lets stay in this abusive relationship because .. reasons..

I for one would yearn for the days when we had to pay mafia protection money because .. reasons.

[Cirrus]

Please retract that remark

There is a common theme prevailing here that seems to conjoin our little nest of europhile dimwits.

People who voted Remain are not the same as europhiles.

The vote wasn't:

1) I like Europe so can I stay in the EU?
or
2) I don't like Europe so can I leave the EU?

It was

1) Do you want to stay where you are?
or
2) Do you want to leave where you are and go to some totally undefined (and unimaginable) place that we haven't got the faintest idea about because we don't know anything about what we're saying and we have told everybody else not to do any thinking/research/planning whatsoever? And we might press the button years before anybody has a chance of building a survival plan.

I had/have reservations about the EU and initially thought I would vote Leave. But that only lasted about 100 milliseconds before I noticed there was absolutely no viable scenario being described. The objection is not about whether it's a nice idea to be in or out of Europe. The objection is people voted for a ridiculous proposition. If you don't like the EU and you want to do something different then that's a choice you have a right to. What you Brexiteers didn't have a right to do was vote to destroy the country just because you were too thick and lazy to think things through and realise what was being offerred was complete nonsense. You didn't alternatively have the right to destroy the country by thinking "I know they're not telling us anything but I'm sure we'll be able to come up with a solution" despite the fact you had virtually zero idea of how massive and pervasive our connection to the EU is.

[Eirikur]

Checked out Holland today and it appears I can nearly half my tax bill by moving there, most certainly half it under Korbyns incoming socialist admin

Rule #1 when moving there; it's The Netherlands, calling it Holland can be as offensive as calling Scotland England for a Scot
Taxes are extremely high (although there are some reduced flat rate taxes for expats) in addition there's mandatory health insurance and lots of local taxes and higher VAT. Almost every contract is caught by the local version of IR35.

But yeah it will be better then living under Corbyn's communist dictatorship

[shaunbhoy]

I voted altruistically, I'll continue to be altruistic, I'll take properties off the hands of those who are at risk of losing them to a bank, and rent them out to those who won't be able to afford to buy

Of course you will..................

[Whorty]

Typical Bremoaner........it is all about you.

And there you were giving it all that sanctimonious cobblers about having voted "altruistically".

I voted altruistically, wanting the best for the country. I 'lost' the vote so I'm going to have to make do now and get on as best I can I'll continue to be altruistic, I'll take properties off the hands of those who are at risk of losing them to a bank, and rent them out to those who won't be able to afford to buy due to being poorer after Brexit. See, I'll be helping out my fellow Brits who 'won' the vote.

Can't say fairer than that

Such a shame I lost the vote ... oh well, I'm sure when I retire early I'll learn to get over it.