Reply to: U.K. to host EU summit - on the benefits of joining the EU

[Bean]

Go on, continue to laugh at your lies.
You even linked to the thread






And when challenged, you went quiet.
First you say "the rest are economic", your % including all students, then you say that it's not all students.
Make your mind up. Is it 93.5% economic or not?

You're the one making up the figures, making up claims, then running away or twisting arguments.

Didn't make-up figures, they were derived (but with a mistake) from reputable sources and upon challenge, was updated, to be only long-term students, which is the post I linked to...

Didn't go quiet in the other thread - I posted the most recent comment....

It's just long-term students, that are included in the UN definition - so that's what it is, as has been made perfectly clear to you in both this thread and the other one previously.

[WTFH]

I never said ALL, in fact I also responded directly to Darmy's original post about 'can you honestly say most....' along with your post too:

https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2550036
"Only the long-term ones, as per UN definition, referred to in;"

Do you require medication, as you keep asking questions that have been answered previously?

Perhaps re-read the thread and don't put your own fiction into the mouths of others, as I said before?

Apologies all, for derailing this thread

Go on, continue to laugh at your lies.
You even linked to the thread

"In 2016, there were around 39,000 applications for asylum in the UK. That’s including dependant family members of the main applicant. Those asylum seekers are counted among the estimated 600,000 immigrants to the UK in the 12 months to September 2016, most of whom come to work or study."

So, (39000/~600000)*100 = 6.5% of estimated immigrants applied for asylum, the rest are economic (93.5%).

Are you saying that everyone who comes to study in the UK is an economic migrant?

Only the long-term ones, as per UN definition

And when challenged, you went quiet.
First you say "the rest are economic", your % including all students, then you say that it's not all students.
Make your mind up. Is it 93.5% economic or not?

You're the one making up the figures, making up claims, then running away or twisting arguments.

[Bean]

So are you saying that education is not something that benefits students?



You really do spin yourself into trouble a lot. Are you no longer saying that ALL students are economic migrants, but now it's SOME? And those students that are "economic migrants" are "economic" in your view because they pay for an education in the hope of getting a job somewhere in the world.

Do you have a problem with foreigners paying for and receiving an education in the UK?

I never said ALL, in fact I also responded directly to Darmy's original post about 'can you honestly say most....' along with your post too:

https://forums.contractoruk.com/brex...ml#post2550036
"Only the long-term ones, as per UN definition, referred to in;"

Do you require medication, as you keep asking questions that have been answered previously?

Perhaps re-read the thread and don't put your own fiction into the mouths of others, as I said before?

Apologies all, for derailing this thread

[darmstadt]

Do you have a problem with foreigners paying for and receiving an education in the UK?

Well if he does then that's Oxbridge screwed What I have noticed over here that there are more and more foreign students and that is due to the practically free universities and once they finish their studies, some stay working here, which is only good for the economy. Some go back home and work in their home countries but have strong ties with where they studied which, in a lot of cases, can also be good for the economy.

[WTFH]

The last part about benefits is your own fiction being placed into the mouths of others.

So are you saying that education is not something that benefits students?

Also, the UN definition of economic migrant has been used to label long-term students exactly that (not all students)....another nuance that was lost on you, not for the first time.

You really do spin yourself into trouble a lot. Are you no longer saying that ALL students are economic migrants, but now it's SOME? And those students that are "economic migrants" are "economic" in your view because they pay for an education in the hope of getting a job somewhere in the world.

Do you have a problem with foreigners paying for and receiving an education in the UK?

[Bean]

Fund higher education by raising the fee limit to restrict those who can go to university to the very wealthy or foreigners? (oh yeah, I remember a few days ago I put up the figures about student visas and the Brexit brains on this forum said they were all economic migrants coming over here to take benefits from us)

The last part about benefits is your own fiction being placed into the mouths of others.

Also, the UN definition of economic migrant has been used to label long-term students exactly that (not all students)....another nuance that was lost on you, not for the first time.

[WTFH]

Probably because the NHS is a bottomless money pit of little return.

Better to fund higher education for STEM subjects, R&D and core infrastructure improvements. And tax cuts for IT contractors.

Fund higher education by raising the fee limit to restrict those who can go to university to the very wealthy or foreigners? (oh yeah, I remember a few days ago I put up the figures about student visas and the Brexit brains on this forum said they were all economic migrants coming over here to take benefits from us)

[DimPrawn]

What about all the people who believed the big red bus?
£350million a week?
Nope, Brexit is not taking that out of the EU and giving it to the NHS for a variety of reasons.

Probably because the NHS is a bottomless money pit of little return.

Better to fund higher education for STEM subjects, R&D and core infrastructure improvements. And tax cuts for IT contractors.

[Old Greg]

And the associated and very lucrative fruit picking contracts that will be up for grabs.

And gammon mince packaging.

[GreenMirror]

It's not a good sign that with a few months to go before Brexit, the status of the UK's top industry hasn't been sorted out.
Meanwhile the "fantasy" Brexiters (Boris, Gove et. al) cause endless problems trying to debate whether some form of Customs Union is a good thing.
The Tory party is on the verge of meltdown if these issues aren't resolved soon.
Not to mention the country.

They have tried to fudge it. As you say, time is running out. One of those situations that was always going to be bad to some extent. And is looking worse.

And the alternative to the Tories is Corbyn - the polite face of a very unpleasant senior Labour party leadership.

Thankfully still time to make arrangements to try to mitigate the inevitable.

[TestMangler]

Have you taken into consideration the booming jam, tea and biscuit exports?

And the associated and very lucrative fruit picking contracts that will be up for grabs.

[Old Greg]

For the average tax payer the EU bill is in the order of 100-200 pounds per year, so the devaluation and inflation has already wiped out any potential benefit for decades to come.

Have you taken into consideration the booming jam, tea and biscuit exports?

[BlasterBates]

Does anyone have an estimate of the economic benefits of financial services passporting?

For the average tax payer the EU bill is in the order of 100-200 pounds per year, so the devaluation and inflation has already wiped out any potential benefit for decades to come.

[sasguru]

Does anyone have an estimate of the economic benefits of financial services passporting?

It's not a good sign that with a few months to go before Brexit, the status of the UK's top industry hasn't been sorted out.
Meanwhile the "fantasy" Brexiters (Boris, Gove et. al) cause endless problems trying to debate whether some form of Customs Union is a good thing.
The Tory party is on the verge of meltdown if these issues aren't resolved soon.
Not to mention the country.

[Old Greg]

I can see that no amount of examples will make you realise the fact that all the benefits of EU membership far outweigh the cost or the perceived negatives.

We are still to see details about any tangible benefit of leaving the EU. And no, statements like "We are free to pursue FTAs/research agreements/cooperation with the rest of the world" are meaningless, when there are zero indication of them materialising in the near future, yet alone being better than what we currently have as a EU members.

Does anyone have an estimate of the economic benefits of financial services passporting?