Reply to: Just give us the ffin money

[meridian]

FTFY. She lost her majority. All of it. Hence the requirement for a deal with DUP.

I love the way the Brexiters, having been defeated concerning the democratic nature of the EU, are now trying to claim that proportional representation is, somehow, undemocratic, and only the British first-past-the-post system is properly democratic.

Why don't you just admit defeat? You won, get over it.

Are these the same Brexiters that were moaning in 2015 that UKIP had won 12.7% of the vote but only had 1 seat, and that proportional representation would have been much fairer?

[NotAllThere]

If the Tories had lost she would no longer be prime minister she was nearly deposed because she lost so much of the majority.

FTFY. She lost her majority. All of it. Hence the requirement for a deal with DUP.

I love the way the Brexiters, having been defeated concerning the democratic nature of the EU, are now trying to claim that proportional representation is, somehow, undemocratic, and only the British first-past-the-post system is properly democratic.

Why don't you just admit defeat? You won, get over it.

[meridian]

If I moved to Maidenhead I could vote for another candidate, alternatively I could vote in my own constituency for any candidate of my choosing.
You are sort of missing the point, which is that nobody in the EU votes for a candidate, they vote for a party, and the party selects the MEP on the voters behalf. The whole system is fundamentally flawed, and we end up with crackpot cockwaffle like this sort of idea.

Oh, okay - yes I was missing your point then, perhaps you should have made it clearer that your objection was to proportional representation generally rather than a specific candidate.

There are positives and negatives to both proportional and FPTP. Which part of proportional representation do you consider to be fundamentally flawed and why?

[vetran]

If I moved to Maidenhead I could vote for another candidate, alternatively I could vote in my own constituency for any candidate of my choosing.
You are sort of missing the point, which is that nobody in the EU votes for a candidate, they vote for a party, and the party selects the MEP on the voters behalf. The whole system is fundamentally flawed, and we end up with crackpot cockwaffle like this sort of idea.

that's obviously a lie stop talking down the democratic EU.

[BrilloPad]

Stop sneering at the snowflake brexiters.

Sorry about that.

[Mordac]

Teresa May is in a senior position within the UK government. Are you able to vote against her?

If I moved to Maidenhead I could vote for another candidate, alternatively I could vote in my own constituency for any candidate of my choosing.
You are sort of missing the point, which is that nobody in the EU votes for a candidate, they vote for a party, and the party selects the MEP on the voters behalf. The whole system is fundamentally flawed, and we end up with crackpot cockwaffle like this sort of idea.

[WTFH]

Stop sneering at the snowflake brexiters.

[meridian]

Just give us the ffin money

yes that is the way our parliament works. However she went to the polls specifically to cement her prime ministership. If the Tories had lost she would no longer be prime minister she was nearly deposed because she lost so much of the majority. There is no equivalent in the EU.

Sorry if you find that difficult to understand.

I find that quite simple to understand, it's you that is missing the thread of the argument. Mordac stated that he was against the EU because he was unable to vote against a specific member. I've pointed out that he - and you - are unable to vote for a specific member except your own constituency in our own parliament. Therefore his argument is false.

[vetran]

*sigh* Unless you live in her constituency, you cannot vote for Teresa May. You can’t vote for any of her policies or the odd thoughts that she has. All you can do is vote for a representative from your own constituency and hope (trust?) that the party they represent implement some of the things in their manifesto. You normally have no direct vote for any of those.


Likewise, within the EU we have MEPs, vetos, and all sorts of checks and balances.

yes that is the way our parliament works. However she went to the polls specifically to cement her prime ministership. If the Tories had lost she would no longer be prime minister she was nearly deposed because she lost so much of the majority. There is no equivalent in the EU.

Sorry if you find that difficult to understand.

[meridian]

yes, she even held a general election for just such a reason.

It was always the plan for an EUSSR they denied it but it was in treaties. So denying it just proves how the Remain supporters love to lie to hang on to their ideal.

An interested observer (the US Army) seem to think its planned & intended, the political & army unification was clearly planned.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...2008/R4177.pdf


This was 1993!

*sigh* Unless you live in her constituency, you cannot vote for Teresa May. You can’t vote for any of her policies or the odd thoughts that she has. All you can do is vote for a representative from your own constituency and hope (trust?) that the party they represent implement some of the things in their manifesto. You normally have no direct vote for any of those.


Likewise, within the EU we have MEPs, vetos, and all sorts of checks and balances.

[vetran]

Teresa May is in a senior position within the UK government. Are you able to vote against her?

yes, she even held a general election for just such a reason.

It was always the plan for an EUSSR they denied it but it was in treaties. So denying it just proves how the Remain supporters love to lie to hang on to their ideal.

An interested observer (the US Army) seem to think its planned & intended, the political & army unification was clearly planned.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/ran...2008/R4177.pdf


This was 1993!

[meridian]

The mere fact that someone in a senior position within the EU, whom I will never be able to vote against, is even thinking about USE was a very good reason to vote Leave. We all know damn well that Juncker et al all want USE, their only real obstacle is working out how to circumvent democracy sufficiently to achieve it.

Teresa May is in a senior position within the UK government. Are you able to vote against her?

[NotAllThere]

The mere fact that someone in a senior position within the EU, whom I will never be able to vote against, is not in favour of a USE was a very good reason to vote Remain.

HTH

[Mordac]

Thus demonstrating that the Brexiters' claim that we must leave the EU or we'll inevitably become part of a USE was always rather spurious.

The mere fact that someone in a senior position within the EU, whom I will never be able to vote against, is even thinking about USE was a very good reason to vote Leave. We all know damn well that Juncker et al all want USE, their only real obstacle is working out how to circumvent democracy sufficiently to achieve it.

[NotAllThere]

EU chief's dream of a 'United States of Europe' collapses | Daily Mail Online

Thus demonstrating that the Brexiters' claim that we must leave the EU or we'll inevitably become part of a USE was always rather spurious.