Reply to: Discriminating against a brexiteer

[Gibbon]

If you're a Labour party member and you vote against Labour they kick you out of the party #justsayingitsnotwithoutprecedent

It's the act of asking that's dodgy, if they freely volunteer then that's ok. Although they could say they didn't when they did so it's a pointless question. Are you referring to a MP in your example? if so that's different as it's a public vote.

[Lance]

Then you could be in trouble; voting is done in secret and efforts to subvert that are frowned on. I would be wary of framing any questions that could be construed as determining how a candidate voted.

If you're a Labour party member and you vote against Labour they kick you out of the party #justsayingitsnotwithoutprecedent

[Gibbon]

Not exactly.

So if you asked someone if they voted Brexit

Then you could be in trouble; voting is done in secret and efforts to subvert that are frowned on. I would be wary of framing any questions that could be construed as determining how a candidate voted.

[SueEllen]

A website administrator who wants a crap forum can refuse to hire moderators with an IQ above 75.

If you are going to discriminate against people you need to use a bit of commonsense. So all the website admin has to do is set a test and those that fail get the job.

[northernladyuk]

Yep as it is ok to discriminate on sex, gender, ethnicity, religion, age and political belief where it is a specific qualification for the job.

So for example a Tory government minister can refuse to employ someone who is an active and vocal member of the Labour party. A care home can refuse to employ a woman and employ a man instead if they want someone to wash the intimate body areas of their disabled old male customers. A Church can refuse to hire a Muslim volunteer for their religious playgroup. A newspaper who wants the views of people under 25 can refuse to hire someone who is 35 for the job etc.

A website administrator who wants a crap forum can refuse to hire moderators with an IQ above 75.

[SueEllen]

It should be ok to discriminate based on religious and political beliefs else the following would be illegal
Catholic priest will not be interviewed for a job at the Sunni Mosque and a openly Tory member won't get a job at Labour HQ

So if the role is working for a remain organisation it should be fine to refuse a brexiteer

Yep as it is ok to discriminate on sex, gender, ethnicity, religion, age and political belief where it is a specific qualification for the job.

So for example a Tory government minister can refuse to employ someone who is an active and vocal member of the Labour party. A care home can refuse to employ a woman and employ a man instead if they want someone to wash the intimate body areas of their disabled old male customers. A Church can refuse to hire a Muslim volunteer for their religious playgroup. A newspaper who wants the views of people under 25 can refuse to hire someone who is 35 for the job etc.

[Eirikur]

It should be ok to discriminate based on religious and political beliefs else the following would be illegal
Catholic priest will not be interviewed for a job at the Sunni Mosque and a openly Tory member won't get a job at Labour HQ

So if the role is working for a remain organisation it should be fine to refuse a brexiteer

[Swamp Thing]

If somebody would ask me such question, I would know that person who is hiring, is not 100% mentally stable. And I would think 3x times before going to such place. However, I would answer - I am sorry but I don't have opinion on this topic.

That's is even worse than asking what type of animal would you be and why....

+1.
If a client asked me such a question I would run a mile - what a peculiar question! I would equate it with the loaded questions of yesteryear, like "How old are you, I don't see your DOB on your CV?". I would be re-evaluating clientco's culture and values. The question may be legal, but I would also answer "I don't have an opinion about that" and wait for the interview to end.

[northernladuk]

You got me busted. I thought this thread was a joke, I didn't realize that was not in general and was banned for an improper response in profession fora. I apologize for that.
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I do believe the reason for the ban was for 'continuing to spoil threads and being a general arse in the prof fora' and not just for your response to this thread.

Either way, continuing to post in the thread you think you got banned for is a good idea how?

[AndrewK]

If somebody would ask me such question, I would know that person who is hiring, is not 100% mentally stable. And I would think 3x times before going to such place. However, I would answer - I am sorry but I don't have opinion on this topic.

That's is even worse than asking what type of animal would you be and why....

[SueEllen]

Actually it seems to be legal to discriminate against someone for the political beliefs, just not their religious beliefs.

Not exactly.

It depends on the role you are recruiting for and what your organisation/company does.

So you could refuse to recruit a member of the BNP as their political philosophy goes against your company's equal opportunities policies however you couldn't do that for a member of the Conservative party unless you were something like a left-wing think tank or Labour Government minister.

So if you asked someone if they voted Brexit then you couldn't refuse to recruit them for voting Brexit unless it was specifically related to the job. However if they came out with illogical tulip on why they voted Brexit then you can refuse to recruit them for the illogical tulip they said.

[Lance]

You got me busted.

No I didn't. There was only total d**khead comment and it wasn't yours. You got banned for the other bull tulip you were writing in other threads I reckon.

Probably you already knew my response due to my 1st reaction, because in a democracy, a person can't be discriminated by political beliefs, etc... the previous links show that it's illegal.

Actually it seems to be legal to discriminate against someone for the political beliefs, just not their religious beliefs.

During the interview, this kind of questions are not welcome to the candidates and a wise candidate would never answer this kind of questions and you may lose a good one.

It all depends on the question asked (only a total plank would ask "did you vote for or against Brexit?"). And whenever I do interviews there's very rarely any right/wrong answers, it's all about the approach and thought used.
This is quite a senior post so attitude, intelligence and diplomacy are all factors.

[Bee]

exactly this. ^^^^^

I know a handful who made a thoughtful decision and have total respect for their views.
Only a fool would class 52% of the population as all the same. It would simply be an indicator, and considering the actual role, it would be a reasonable pointer towards the attitude of the candidate and how they will manage some potentially very difficult discussions with our continental friends/partners.

You got me busted. I thought this thread was a joke, I didn't realize that was not in general and was banned for an improper response in profession fora. I apologize for that.

Back to the topic.

Probably you already knew my response due to my 1st reaction, because in a democracy, a person can't be discriminated by political beliefs, etc... the previous links show that it's illegal.

I believe that the Brexiters are protectionist and it does not mean that they are enemies of a specific country, but you know better than me. During the interview, this kind of questions are not welcome to the candidates and a wise candidate would never answer this kind of questions and you may lose a good one.

[WTFH]

Discriminating against a brexiteer

So if you'd rather hire someone who is happy to blindly follow the EU project irrespective of whatever direction it goes then sure, go for it. And if you'd rather discount 52% of candidates because of your own ignorance - then go for it.

I think he's looking for someone who is not a closed mind, but is capable of making logical decisions and not driven to make bad decisions based on hatred of foreign things.

Also, he probably doesn't want to have to pay £350million a week for them, then have them deny for 15 months that it was £350million a week, then read it in the Telegraph this week that it really was £350million a week, even after the Telegraph even said it wasn't.

[chopper]

So if you'd rather hire someone who is happy to blindly follow the EU project irrespective of whatever direction it goes then sure, go for it. And if you'd rather discount 52% of candidates because of your own ignorance - then go for it.

How would you handle somebody who said they would prefer not to discuss their political viewpoints in an interview (unless you were hiring someone specifically for a political position)?