Reply to: Post Brexit Travel to Europe

[BrilloPad]

It's a secret I'm afraid.

Hush hush!!

Only a secret from sockies though?

Ah yes, I take your point.....

[shaunbhoy]

Where is the source of this?

It's a secret I'm afraid.

Hush hush!!

[Bee]

Spain terror threat - Jihadi groups plot 'strike to kill on beaches' | World | News | Express.co.uk

DSTM

Where is the source of this?

[shaunbhoy]

The south countries are been invaded this year with tourist because they choosing safety places, and it's not only Brits.

Spain terror threat - Jihadi groups plot 'strike to kill on beaches' | World | News | Express.co.uk

DSTM

[Bee]

Ok

British tourism to Spain hits record despite pound's post-Brexit fall | Reuters

Finally, you got there.

The south countries are been invaded this year with tourist because they choosing safety places, and it's not only Brits.

This kind news suggesting that EU are against Brits is tendentious that don't make any sense.

[Bee]

No obviously not but they are not an insignificant %age of those that do.

As for UK people working in these areas - well maybe it will help their economies if they can employ the locals..... or do they have the 'same' problem we do in that the youth refuse to do these hospitality jobs?

Why do you think Spain is different? If it's like Portugal they employ the locals but the most are immigrants.

[original PM]

About 6% of tourists in Spain are from the UK, if fewer British tourists did go they wouldn't really notice.

Ok

British tourism to Spain hits record despite pound's post-Brexit fall | Reuters

[BlasterBates]

Yes, you're right OPM, because the only tourists who go to Europe on holiday are from the UK.

... or not.

And if you look at the holiday destinations you refer to, how many have bars/restaurants run or staffed by UK people?

About 6% of tourists in Spain are from the UK, if fewer British tourists did go they wouldn't really notice.

[original PM]

Yes, you're right OPM, because the only tourists who go to Europe on holiday are from the UK.

... or not.

And if you look at the holiday destinations you refer to, how many have bars/restaurants run or staffed by UK people?

No obviously not but they are not an insignificant %age of those that do.

As for UK people working in these areas - well maybe it will help their economies if they can employ the locals..... or do they have the 'same' problem we do in that the youth refuse to do these hospitality jobs?

[WTFH]

If no tourists visit tourist resorts then the tourist resorts close down (look at Morecambe for example)

Then the local people who used to be employed to support the tourist trade then have to find employment/means of living elsewhere (or starve).

However those people may be quite happy living in their location and do not want to move and are quite happy to work to support the tourist trade.

And the assumption seems to be that if there is no tourist trade these people will be happy to move elsewhere and do different jobs.

Yes I understand that not every single Euro that goes into Spains economy (for example) comes from tourism - however a not insignificant percentage does and it supports a not insignificant percentage of their population.

And if the EU tries to curtail this tourism to 'spite' the UK they are actually directly affecting these people.

But then the farce of the EU refusing to discuss the future of EU national in the UK and vice versa earlier on in the year/last year shows how much they actually care for the common man on the street and their ability to feed and clothe their kids.

Yes, you're right OPM, because the only tourists who go to Europe on holiday are from the UK.

... or not.

And if you look at the holiday destinations you refer to, how many have bars/restaurants run or staffed by UK people?

[original PM]

What this has to do with countries in Europe?

If no tourists visit tourist resorts then the tourist resorts close down (look at Morecambe for example)

Then the local people who used to be employed to support the tourist trade then have to find employment/means of living elsewhere (or starve).

However those people may be quite happy living in their location and do not want to move and are quite happy to work to support the tourist trade.

And the assumption seems to be that if there is no tourist trade these people will be happy to move elsewhere and do different jobs.

Yes I understand that not every single Euro that goes into Spains economy (for example) comes from tourism - however a not insignificant percentage does and it supports a not insignificant percentage of their population.

And if the EU tries to curtail this tourism to 'spite' the UK they are actually directly affecting these people.

But then the farce of the EU refusing to discuss the future of EU national in the UK and vice versa earlier on in the year/last year shows how much they actually care for the common man on the street and their ability to feed and clothe their kids.

[Bee]

And I think you are assuming the people who currently live and work in these tourist areas will be happy to up sticks and join the rat race in the city, or that they are trained to do technical engineering jobs, or building or plumbing or any number of 'trades' which also contribute in a large way to these countries gdp.

And I imagine you would also be one of the first to jump up and down about how bad Maggie T was in shutting down the mines and then expecting those workers to simply go get a job in a different industry - as that is what you are saying.

What this has to do with countries in Europe?

[d000hg]

So does this mean we can start going on holiday to all the EU destinations ruined by Brits again?

[WTFH]

TL;DR, his original assertion is a blatant lie.

Totally, but that's how he operates - makes a claim, when challenged refuses to back it up, then runs away and hope the subject changes or people forget his post. He'll repeat it in a few days.

[billybiro]

It depends on his definition of "prop up the economy", if it means "buy a beer in the country", then his figure may be true. If he means that UK tourists are responsible for more than half that country's income, then he must have some amazing stats tucked away somewhere.

Among the EU28, the UK is responsible for 23% of the personal nights stays made by EU28 nationals to other EU countries.
Source:
File:Share of nights spent during outbound holidays of Europeans, by country of residence of the tourist, 2015 (% of nights spent abroad by residents of the EU-28) V2.png - Statistics Explained

Among the same countries, their income from tourism is not the backbone of the economy that some falsely believe it is:
File:Travel receipts and expenditure in balance of payments, 2010–15.png - Statistics Explained

Crunching those numbers, the UK is responsible for about €27,000million in tourism each year to the rest of the EU.
If the only country that UK people went to for a holiday was Spain, then yes, the UK would be responsible for about half of their tourism income. That would be roughly 1.5% of their GDP.
...but that only applies if all the UK money spent in Europe was only spent in Spain.

Averaging out the EU as a whole, the UK tourism receipts approx 0.2% of the EU GDP. If you take out the expenses behind those receipts, the figure is about 1/10th of that.

TL;DR, his original assertion is a blatant lie.