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Originally posted by lilikins1 View PostSo just started an outside IR35 after a few years in Switzerland. Someone has recomended Tax Assist - any views on them? I was in touch with Maslins on Friday and they seemed OK but seemed a very óut of the box`approach. Gorilla I can see by your recent posts that it s not what it used to be... any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Glad to be back
The recommendations on the list are still correct. I'd add Paper Rocket as they seem very capable and more people joining them recently.
Contractor accounting is out of the box. It's very straight forward so almost sausage factory stuff.Last edited by northernladuk; 15 January 2024, 08:42.
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So just started an outside IR35 after a few years in Switzerland. Someone has recomended Tax Assist - any views on them? I was in touch with Maslins on Friday and they seemed OK but seemed a very óut of the box`approach. Gorilla I can see by your recent posts that it s not what it used to be... any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Glad to be back
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Originally posted by Sarah@PaperRocket View Post
Thanks for the prompt to update this section of our website 7specialgems. We haven't offered IR35 contracts reviews for some time as we leave these to QDOS if required. It does seem odd that other accounting firms aren't happy to share their T&C's with you ahead of appointment, we are always happy to share these when requested. We are an ICAEW and AAT regulated practice and have plenty of positive client reviews on TrustIndex, Google Reviews etc if you wanted to check our credentials out further. Thanks!
So IR35 contract review is done by Qdos when required but is it part of the service as I do not believe this is mentioned in your packages ?
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Originally posted by 7specialgems View PostFamiliar with CoSec, but read took "unlimited" to mean "unbounded" rather than being scoped to filing financially related documents solely.
Same with seeing "changes to" rather than "advising upon" the shareholder structure.
It might just be me being oversensitive because I had a very, very near miss with Boox. I am being ultra cautious not to go with a firm that advertises with language that is likely to get HMRC excited if they win their case.
As jamesbrown said on the previous page: its about how the "practice presents itself to the outside world, including HMRC".
I mean no disrespect.
It’s no problem, I completely understanding being careful, particularly when you’ve had a near miss before 😊
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Familiar with CoSec, but read took "unlimited" to mean "unbounded" rather than being scoped to filing financially related documents solely.
Same with seeing "changes to" rather than "advising upon" the shareholder structure.
It might just be me being oversensitive because I had a very, very near miss with Boox. I am being ultra cautious not to go with a firm that advertises with language that is likely to get HMRC excited if they win their case.
As jamesbrown said on the previous page: its about how the "practice presents itself to the outside world, including HMRC".
I mean no disrespect.Last edited by 7specialgems; 4 November 2023, 00:35.
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Originally posted by 7specialgems View PostThat's good but there are still some other things that are listed on your products which worry me from a MSC perspective:- Unlimited secretarial services
- Changes to the shareholder structure if required
I really don't think an accountant should be getting involved in those things.
If the Boox case goes HMRC's way then I reckon it will be open season for accountancies who market themselves as contractor specialists and offer co-sec services like this in addition to bean counting.
I have never known of an accounting practice that won’t provide advice on shares or assist with documents being filed with Companies House (known as company secretarial services), it’s pretty standard across the accounting industry and not something unusual or alarming
That’s ok if we are not your cup of tea though, everyone has something in particular they are looking for in their accountant and we can’t be a good fit for all 😊
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That's good but there are still some other things that are listed on your products which worry me from a MSC perspective:- Unlimited secretarial services
- Changes to the shareholder structure if required
I really don't think an accountant should be getting involved in those things.
If the Boox case goes HMRC's way then I reckon it will be open season for accountancies who market themselves as contractor specialists and offer co-sec services like this in addition to bean counting.Last edited by 7specialgems; 18 October 2023, 18:53.
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Originally posted by 7specialgems View Post
Absolutely got cold feet after that weird response.
After a second review of their website, I think maybe that e-mail was meant to be and it may have helped me dodge an MSC bullet.
Being a contractor specialist is no crime but Aardvark's website is full of promo about knowing all about IR35, coaching clients about IR35, selling IR35 insurance (which stood out like a sore thumb after reading https://www.contractoruk.com/news/00...ual_chain.html)
"The Contracing Awards Winner 2023". Yeah Hector's going to have them on his radar. Too rich for my blood.
Thanks for the tip with Paper Rocket, had a look at them. Miles better although did raise an eyebrow over the line item for unliited IR35 reviews as part of their product. Is it really appropriate that your bean counter helps you with your engagement paperwork?
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
You will find a lot of CK and Boox clients arguing the same thing. I'm afraid there are too many contractor-specialist accountants with their heads buried in the sand over this and/or clueless about the risks as understood now versus 10 years ago. In the first instance, it doesn't really matter whether you leveraged a particular service or not, it's more about how that practice presents itself to the outside world, including HMRC.
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
It's not but you need to check what that actually means. If they review your contract then yeah, not good. If they are partnered with someone like QDOS et al and they give it then fair enough. I don't personally see it as a red flag, just a service I wouldn't take up. It's not enough to be an MSC worry for me either. Just part of an offering I don't need.
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Originally posted by 7specialgems View Post
Thanks for the tip with Paper Rocket, had a look at them. Miles better although did raise an eyebrow over the line item for unliited IR35 reviews as part of their product. Is it really appropriate that your bean counter helps you with your engagement paperwork?
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Originally posted by 7specialgems View PostThanks for the tip with Paper Rocket, had a look at them. Miles better although did raise an eyebrow over the line item for unliited IR35 reviews as part of their product. Is it really appropriate that your bean counter helps you with your engagement paperwork?
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
If you do get cold feet and want a smallish personal set up have a word with Paper Rocket.
After a second review of their website, I think maybe that e-mail was meant to be and it may have helped me dodge an MSC bullet.
Being a contractor specialist is no crime but Aardvark's website is full of promo about knowing all about IR35, coaching clients about IR35, selling IR35 insurance (which stood out like a sore thumb after reading https://www.contractoruk.com/news/00...ual_chain.html)
"The Contracing Awards Winner 2023". Yeah Hector's going to have them on his radar. Too rich for my blood.
Thanks for the tip with Paper Rocket, had a look at them. Miles better although did raise an eyebrow over the line item for unliited IR35 reviews as part of their product. Is it really appropriate that your bean counter helps you with your engagement paperwork?Last edited by 7specialgems; 12 October 2023, 01:31.
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Originally posted by 7specialgems View PostStrange position from Aardvark accounting these last couple of weeks.
Have been interested in their £76 per month product.
Asked (twice) to see a contract for me to sign.
Told (twice) that they will only send me the Terms and Conditions of my agreement after I send termination notice to my current accountant and sign a new starter form to instruct them.
"Money laundering reasons" they say.
Wtf? Do you want me to sign a service agreement with you not?!
If you do get cold feet and want a smallish personal set up have a word with Paper Rocket.
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