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Previously on "Client refusing to pay because 'budget for project finished in April 2011'"

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  • wim121
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    Someone previously mentioned a solicitor ......

    Just wanted to tell you, Ive been in a similar situation. You can demand to have your sheet signed. But as you said, if they want you off site, it's a tricky situation ...

    There are always clients and agencies, that try to wriggle out of payment. I have a solicitor that sends the party a strongly worded letter when Ive had this happen before. Most of the time it works.

    After a while though, you learn to recognise a shister and avoid them. In future, ask your agency/referrer for the clients details when you accept an assignment. Before you start work on site, check their credentials. Most non payers have a LONG history of such business methods.

    I have a list of certain businesses, that after personal experience I would never deal with again.

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  • Hex
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    Even if you did sign the opt-out then send the Invoice if you haven't already.

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  • Wanderer
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    Originally posted by MonkeyMagic1908 View Post
    On my last day there was no-one around to sign off my timesheets....they won't be signed because the budget which was paying for the project I was on closed at the end of April 2011....
    You know that opt-out the agency were desperate for you to sign? Did you sign it? This is important.

    If you didn't opt-out then just invoice the agency and follow the procedure recommended in the link posted by Hex: http://forums.contractoruk.com/accou...sing-debt.html

    If you did opt out then you have a real fight on your hands. Don't sign the opt out next time.....

    Originally posted by VectraMan View Post
    So have you invoiced the agent? You can't sue/demand anything from anyone until you've done that. Remember your contract is with the agent; if the client won't pay it's their problem, not yours, so forget all about the client and their budgets, it's nothing to do with you.
    Agreed, that's good advice from VectraMan too.

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  • jmo21
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    Originally posted by MonkeyMagic1908 View Post
    I have only just managed to find someone who can sign them (or I thought I did!), but I have just got a message from the person who was going to sign them saying his line manager has said they won't be signed because the budget which was paying for the project I was on closed at the end of April 2011....
    So the people who were authorised to sign the timesheets, did they ignore emails, phone calls etc?

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  • VectraMan
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    You do know that April 2011 comes after March 2011?

    So have you invoiced the agent? You can't sue/demand anything from anyone until you've done that. Remember your contract is with the agent; if the client won't pay it's their problem, not yours, so forget all about the client and their budgets, it's nothing to do with you.

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  • configman
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    Originally posted by MonkeyMagic1908 View Post
    Thanks to most sensible replies on this thread

    Just to explain, I didn't leave it three months to chase it up, it's taken this long for me to find someone to actually sign the time sheets

    Huh
    Write it all up in bullet point what you have done to resolve the matter and include in letter sent to both Financial Directors of Agency and Client. Say that unless they bring a satisfactory resolution within 7 days to this matter you will take legal action. Take into account that this is blatant refusal to pay, not can't pay and the courts see this in a different light. If they don't pay take it to the County Court. There is also a hint of "Theft" here which is a criminal offence. They have obtained your services by deception if the intent was never to sign your timesheets and never pay you. It will be worth talking to a solicitor.

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  • MonkeyMagic1908
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    Thanks to most sensible replies on this thread

    Just to explain, I didn't leave it three months to chase it up, it's taken this long for me to find someone to actually sign the time sheets

    Huh

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  • MarillionFan
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    Originally posted by MonkeyMagic1908 View Post
    Thanks for the advice, very helpful

    If the client wants you off site, you're offsite
    Interesting reply.

    Yes it's dumb to leave a contract without getting your timesheet signed. But as you point out 'the client wanted you offsite'. Which implies that your contract was cut short(as you stated) and it it was quite sudden. So an accusation of dumbness isn't founded.

    What is founded is that you have waited 3 additional months before chasing up & the agent doesn't want to know. That isn't just dumb, that's cretinous.

    So if we assume that you are a sockie, it's a poor attempt, but if you're a real poster you only have yourself to blame, so write it off, move on and don't ever do anything as stupid again.

    Advice you wanted???

    hth

    MF

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  • Zippy
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    I can't offer any more advice than you've been given, but good luck with getting your money.
    Hopefully a strongly worded letter to the agent will get things moving.

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  • configman
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    Originally posted by MonkeyMagic1908 View Post
    The agency I have was working for don't seem to be interested
    Sounds like the agency has been paid, can't imagine them not being bothered.

    Find out who the Financial Director or Financial Officer of the client is and get them involved. It could be the PM's not having the common sense to ask for the correct process to follow.

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  • Hex
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    See here and links within also for more info: http://forums.contractoruk.com/accou...sing-debt.html

    Try searching this site for payontime and reading all the threads.

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  • Hex
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    Originally posted by MonkeyMagic1908 View Post
    What a crock, this isn't my problem, where do I go next?Thanks in advance
    This is your problem!

    Have you invoiced the agency. If not then do so. Were you opted in to the agency regulations for that contract? If you were then they have to pay you even though you have no signed timesheet. If you were not opted in it will be harder. You may need to get lawyers involved. In the end, you turned up and worked and they let you so they should pay. Their budgets are not your problem.

    Have a look at the payontime website and get the process going with that. The agency may just pay up. If not, then you may have to contact a lawyer. Roger Sinclair of egos.co.uk seems to get good feedback but he isn't cheap.

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  • MonkeyMagic1908
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    Originally posted by Fred Bloggs View Post
    Sorry, but I really, truly, think that is a pretty darn dumb thing to do. I would not have left site on the last day without a signed time sheet.
    Thanks for the advice, very helpful

    If the client wants you off site, you're offsite

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  • Fred Bloggs
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    Sorry, but I really, truly, think that is a pretty darn dumb thing to do. I would not have left site on the last day without a signed time sheet.

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  • Client refusing to pay because 'budget for project finished in April 2011'

    Hello


    Looking for a bit of advice

    My previous contract was due to run for a year, but finished at the end of March 2011

    On my last day there was no-one around to sign off my timesheets and long story short I have only just managed to find someone who can sign them (or I thought I did!), but I have just got a message from the person who was going to sign them saying his line manager has said they won't be signed because the budget which was paying for the project I was on closed at the end of April 2011....


    What a crock, this isn't my problem, where do I go next?

    The agency I have was working for don't seem to be interested

    Thanks in advance

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