Reply to: NI Calculations

[northernladyuk]

Don't need to take it from me...

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Improve your attitude towards your research and your work and things will get a whole lot better for everyone. You might actually find you enjoy it as well, you know, finding something out for yourself rather than having to have it fed to you.

That is an unusually astute point. It would be nice to see the mods enforcing it more vigorously.

[northernladuk]

NLUK - same old same old from you. I'm not getting into this again.

Don't need to take it from me...

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HTH

Improve your attitude towards your research and your work and things will get a whole lot better for everyone. You might actually find you enjoy it as well, you know, finding something out for yourself rather than having to have it fed to you.

[psychocandy]

But it's not just me PC. I might be the most vocal but I'm certainly not the only one that comments.

Why don't you just do a bit of basic research rather than reach for a forum of people that have pretty low opinion of you? If you read up on NI, even the wiki page, it would have explained what Contrax told you and more. You might actually have learned something and be able to use that knowledge to answer your next brain fart and gain a good understanding of your topic rather than just flailing about in the dark.

A raft of lazy ill researched questions is going to attract the ire of your peers all day long.

NLUK - same old same old from you. I'm not getting into this again.

[psychocandy]

The OP is using an umbrella instead of a limited company and therefore no longer has the discretion the cumulative system previously offered him.

Correct umbrella.

[Lambert Simnel]

The OP is using an umbrella instead of a limited company and therefore no longer has the discretion the cumulative system previously offered him.

Ah fair enough. I didn't see that mentioned in his post, but no doubt it's been mentioned elsewhere on the forum, and my casual/dilettante approach has left me in relative ignorance. (Or I read it, wasn't interested, and made no attempt to remember it )

[northernladyuk]

But it's not just me PC. I might be the most vocal but I'm certainly not the only one that comments.

Why don't you just do a bit of basic research rather than reach for a forum of people that have pretty low opinion of you? If you read up on NI, even the wiki page, it would have explained what Contrax told you and more. You might actually have learned something and be able to use that knowledge to answer your next brain fart and gain a good understanding of your topic rather than just flailing about in the dark.

A raft of lazy ill researched questions is going to attract the ire of your peers all day long.

I rather look forward to the questions in a Jeremy Kyle guilty pleasure kind of way.

[eek]

Worth emphasising this point, however. Where you are a Director of accompany, the rules are amended to reflect the fact that you likely have control over the timing of your payments, and thus the Director's NI calculation is cumulative in the same fashion as Income Tax. If the OP is trying to manage payments to himself from his own company to minimise NI, then just altering the timing within the tax year won't make any difference.

The OP is using an umbrella instead of a limited company and therefore no longer has the discretion the cumulative system previously offered him.

[northernladuk]

#boredwithnluk

But it's not just me PC. I might be the most vocal but I'm certainly not the only one that comments.

Why don't you just do a bit of basic research rather than reach for a forum of people that have pretty low opinion of you? If you read up on NI, even the wiki page, it would have explained what Contrax told you and more. You might actually have learned something and be able to use that knowledge to answer your next brain fart and gain a good understanding of your topic rather than just flailing about in the dark.

A raft of lazy ill researched questions is going to attract the ire of your peers all day long.

[Lambert Simnel]

...because unlike tax NI allowances aren't cumulative (other than for directors).

Worth emphasising this point, however. Where you are a Director of accompany, the rules are amended to reflect the fact that you likely have control over the timing of your payments, and thus the Director's NI calculation is cumulative in the same fashion as Income Tax. If the OP is trying to manage payments to himself from his own company to minimise NI, then just altering the timing within the tax year won't make any difference.

[northernladyuk]

#boredwithnluk

There is an Ignore button, if people are boring or annoying you.

[psychocandy]

It's lucky you don't have to think to breathe.

#boredwithnluk

[psychocandy]

Go on I'll bite

NI is calculated by reference to your pay period (which for yourself I believe is weekly) and therefore each week you receive 1/52 of the annual NI allowance tax free and this equates to the first £157 being free of NI. If you don't get paid in a pay period you can't carry forward the unused allowance, it is wasted, because unlike tax NI allowances aren't cumulative (other than for directors).

In your example you would probably be better off having 4 days and 1 day rather than 5 & 0 because in the later you don't get paid in one week so lose out on that amount on NI tax free.

HTH

Martin
Contratax Ltd

Cheers martin - thanks.

[northernladyuk]

Go on I'll bite

NI is calculated by reference to your pay period (which for yourself I believe is weekly) and therefore each week you receive 1/52 of the annual NI allowance tax free and this equates to the first £157 being free of NI. If you don't get paid in a pay period you can't carry forward the unused allowance, it is wasted, because unlike tax NI allowances aren't cumulative (other than for directors).

In your example you would probably be better off having 4 days and 1 day rather than 5 & 0 because in the later you don't get paid in one week so lose out on that amount on NI tax free.

HTH

Martin
Contratax Ltd

You do know you're just enabling his learned helplessness.

[washed up contractor]

I know NI is a little different to tax calculations isn't it? With tax if you pay too much one week/month then it generally levels out next time - so you still pay the same over the year.

Isnt NI different? i.e. based on that particular week/month and no levelling out?

On this basis, what would be better, 5 days one week, 0 days the next week, or 4 days one week, 1 day next week pay?

Dear Lord

[ContrataxLtd]

I know NI is a little different to tax calculations isn't it? With tax if you pay too much one week/month then it generally levels out next time - so you still pay the same over the year.

Isnt NI different? i.e. based on that particular week/month and no levelling out?

On this basis, what would be better, 5 days one week, 0 days the next week, or 4 days one week, 1 day next week pay?

Go on I'll bite

NI is calculated by reference to your pay period (which for yourself I believe is weekly) and therefore each week you receive 1/52 of the annual NI allowance tax free and this equates to the first £157 being free of NI. If you don't get paid in a pay period you can't carry forward the unused allowance, it is wasted, because unlike tax NI allowances aren't cumulative (other than for directors).

In your example you would probably be better off having 4 days and 1 day rather than 5 & 0 because in the later you don't get paid in one week so lose out on that amount on NI tax free.

HTH

Martin
Contratax Ltd