Reply to: New Starter "Training"

[jmo21]

Ask the client if they make all electricians, plumbers, commercial refuse collectors, document destruction operatives etc. fill one of these stupid things out every time they come on-site.

And before anyone jumps in about how "it's not the same thing", with regard to this nonsense, it is. These "health & wellbeing" forms are for employees, and you, the electrician, the plumber and the binman are not employees.

If the end client brought in a contract electrician, to beef up the on-site facilities team for 6 months, you can be sure they would be put through whatever standard courses the permie electricians have to do.

[LondonManc]

Many companies are very big on anti corruption these days. They will force you to do the business ethics training courses and a refresher every 6 or 12 months. If you refuse you will be sacked, simple as that.

We aren't sacked, we have our contract terminated.

[Fred Bloggs]

Many companies are very big on anti corruption these days. They will force you to do the business ethics training courses and a refresher every 6 or 12 months. If you refuse you will be sacked, simple as that.

[SueEllen]

Ask the client if they make all electricians, plumbers, commercial refuse collectors, document destruction operatives etc. fill one of these stupid things out every time they come on-site.

And before anyone jumps in about how "it's not the same thing", with regard to this nonsense, it is. These "health & wellbeing" forms are for employees, and you, the electrician, the plumber and the binman are not employees.

The policies on who does these tulip courses are dependent on what role the worker fulfills.

So if you do work for one part of the business you do one type of course but for another part you do a different one.

In addition most finance companies rent their offices so the plumbers, electricians etc are workers for the company who own the building not them.

However if a plumber sued them because of stress and won, they would be made to do the courses as well.

It's all about not getting sued under H&S legislation.

[BrilloPad]

Every financial services company has been doing this for 5 years now.

Do it. Or get another gig. Gigs in financial services are hard to come by these days.

[billybiro]

Just do it..... There is enough stuff in there to prove its for everyone....

If everyone has to do it it can't differentiate permie and contractor so cannot affect an IR35 decision.

Ask the client if they make all electricians, plumbers, commercial refuse collectors, document destruction operatives etc. fill one of these stupid things out every time they come on-site.

And before anyone jumps in about how "it's not the same thing", with regard to this nonsense, it is. These "health & wellbeing" forms are for employees, and you, the electrician, the plumber and the binman are not employees.

[dx4100]

Standard stuff in banking. What's really gutting is when you find out the money laundering training is actual about preventing it.

Given the way the banks have behaved over the recent years I would of thought it was more of a comedy piece....

[LondonManc]

Standard stuff in banking. What's really gutting is when you find out the money laundering training is actual about preventing it.

[dx4100]

Standard stuff if your working, for example, in the gambling industry as I currently am. Had to do it on my first day of the contract. Not a big deal at all. Can't see IR35 being an issue.

[Fred Bloggs]

"Personal well-being" and such tulip is part of their H&S so you (or your loved ones) can't turn around and sue them when they completely stress you out and do something stupid.

I've done the courses.

Correct!

[SueEllen]

"Personal well-being" and such tulip is part of their H&S so you (or your loved ones) can't turn around and sue them when they completely stress you out and do something stupid.

I've done the courses.

[northernladuk]

I'm going to have to stop you there.

Busted

[Old Greg]

Don't wanna be rude

I'm going to have to stop you there.

[northernladuk]

So, I have been contracting for around 10 years and have recently started a new contract with a Financial Services company.

Don't wanna be rude but how can you have been contracting for 10 years and not know enough about IR35 to make a call on this without having to ask us?

[dingdong]

You should be far more worried about HMRC ever asking your client if they have the right of supervision, direction or control over you (never mind if it was actually exercised).

HMRC won't need to concern themselves with the detail of any training courses - they've got much easier routes.