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Originally posted by cojak View PostWell it's under consultation, then it will undergo change, then they may announce it 3 days before it goes live.
Travel and subsistence is under consultation, with a timeline of Finance bill 2015, into effect April 2016.
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Originally posted by eek View PostPersonally, I would be looking at April 2017 for any implementation. Remember that things that used to be set up 4 weeks in advance (income tax levels) now have a 1 year lead time..
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Originally posted by mudskipper View PostAs promised
I can't disagree with much of this.
But, I do think that IPSE's intentions are genuine and in the right place. I agree that that the impact of CUK has been underestimated - forum users both here and on their own forums are a tiny percentage of members/contractors, but IMO, they are also the more engaged members. I think it's fair to say that some CC members (and not just the newly elected ones) are highlighting the concerns raised here.
It has been vociferously argued (by me and others) that an 'official' IPSE voice on CUK would be useful, and there have been assurances that it is being considered, and I believe that assurance. The CC are supposed to be representative members, so, if you don't like what you've got, then you (members) need to vote for something different. I think the fact that The FaQQer got such a significant lead on the votes in the last election shows that the system does work, but it only works if people that members can identify with put themselves forward for election in the first place.
I think that IPSE have a plenty of "room for improvement" insofar as communicating with members, but that doesn't mean that everything they do/stand for is bad/wrong. Give them a chance to address the problems, and, in the meantime, let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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Originally posted by mudskipper View PostPub time, I'll let you know what I think after a couple of pints
Originally posted by TykeMerc View PostIPSE were perfectly content to allow the arrogant postings and not have an "official" poster, it was quite apparent to us all that despite protestations to the contrary that there was a measure of "official" to it. The denials were never even marginally credible.
If the line wasn't official then it should have been stamped on and denounced, it never was. Certain posters have been posting exactly the same way and party line for years.
IPSE members are clever enough to know that a line spouted frequently, no matter how un-official, is viewed as official. Lack of denial is acceptance by default in that scenario, if their management struggle to grasp that basic truth then they're even more out of touch than previously believed.
I can't disagree with much of this.
But, I do think that IPSE's intentions are genuine and in the right place. I agree that that the impact of CUK has been underestimated - forum users both here and on their own forums are a tiny percentage of members/contractors, but IMO, they are also the more engaged members. I think it's fair to say that some CC members (and not just the newly elected ones) are highlighting the concerns raised here.
It has been vociferously argued (by me and others) that an 'official' IPSE voice on CUK would be useful, and there have been assurances that it is being considered, and I believe that assurance. The CC are supposed to be representative members, so, if you don't like what you've got, then you (members) need to vote for something different. I think the fact that The FaQQer got such a significant lead on the votes in the last election shows that the system does work, but it only works if people that members can identify with put themselves forward for election in the first place.
I think that IPSE have a plenty of "room for improvement" insofar as communicating with members, but that doesn't mean that everything they do/stand for is bad/wrong. Give them a chance to address the problems, and, in the meantime, let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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Originally posted by BolshieBastard View PostI currently work at a client site with about 50 other contractors. Id say four fifths of them either dont comprehend IR35 or think they are well outside it. One even said to me they had 'opted out of IR35'!
With such naivety, one can only be astounded at some people's view of their status.
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Originally posted by expat View PostThe tax authorities are not above giving you a negative number for the notice period of changes.
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Originally posted by BolshieBastard View PostI currently work at a client site with about 50 other contractors. Id say four fifths of them either dont comprehend IR35 or think they are well outside it. One even said to me they had 'opted out of IR35'!
With such naivety, one can only be astounded at some people's view of their status.
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Originally posted by blackstreet View PostI dont think its a choice to just ignore HMRC re IR35. Im not sure a lot of contractors recognise the seriousness of the changes being proposed and how fundamentally it changes the model we work in.
I really am not a fan of going permy - for a multitude of reasons, but id like to know when we will get clarity on the scope of the ir35 changes so i can make an informed decision. Any clues?
With such naivety, one can only be astounded at some people's view of their status.
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Originally posted by blackstreet View PostFlipping eck - so we could get zero time to make any adjustments from announcement to implementation? Thats super harsh considering how much this could potentially impact our clients (HR systems and processes) let alone our own status.
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Originally posted by cojak View PostWell it's under consultation, then it will undergo change, then they may announce it 3 days before it goes live.
So basically you are going to have to suck and see like the rest of us.
If you're that risk averse go permie now. Or be a bit brave and take agamblebusiness decision....
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Flipping eck - so we could get zero time to make any adjustments from announcement to implementation? Thats super harsh considering how much this could potentially impact our clients (HR systems and processes) let alone our own status.
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Well it's under consultation, then it will undergo change, then they may announce it 3 days before it goes live.
So basically you are going to have to suck and see like the rest of us.
If you're that risk averse go permie now. Or be a bit brave and take agamblebusiness decision....
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Im not trying to ignore the advice, but assuming this has no impact and is just HMRC noise doesn't appeal to my risk averse nature!
As stated, all im trying to understand is when does the recent consultation turn into a clear position, so we can start to make informed decisions. Surely it would be before the actual implementation on April 16 that we will get the actual impact. Isnt there a standard process that HMG follow when implementing change? I would have thought 3 months before implementation would be reasonable for the impacted areas to make the changes to adjust to the change.
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Originally posted by cojak View PostBP was being sarcastic.
And since this isn't an approved organ of IPSE, I doubt you'll get any official response here. 'Join up and see the official response on our website' will be the unofficial official reply I would imagine.
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