Reply to: Do I have to use UK ltd/umbrella to get paid nowadays?

[cojak]

Well you've asked your questions and no-one has answered.

Like I said before, ask the accountant to help you to create a UK Ltd company, then you can work here.

And since no-one here is in the same situation I'm going to lock these threads.

[MrMarkyMark]

Also, is it possible to raise some sort of discrimination case against agenise refusing to operate with non-UK companies?

Why don't you try the US, or other parts of Europe?
They largely don't deal with foregn registered companies either.

[TykeMerc]

Dear cojak,

Thank you for the links provided.

Could you please let me know why you are thinking about banning me? Have I in some way breached the rules of the forum?

We have already contacted several accountancy firms (including SJD). However, they all tell us that they only deal with UK-based contractors and that it will be near impossible for us to establish a UK Ltd as we have no ties in the UK. And this is why we have come to this forum, because there must be people out there who were in the same situation.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt (bit of a stretch as I'm convinced you're a troll), I'll respond.

People yes, but not many and not groups trying to use agencies that place individuals into roles as a free sales arm, the agencies will NOT play ball with that, they're not totally stupid.. I'm now assuming you're trying to do a cut price Wipro type business approach of sending a low cost "consultant" to fill a genuine business need.
Said consultant will need a visa to work here and will pay no UK tax due to the liberties possible with the visa system.
Returning to your original discrimination question, exactly what sort of discrimination would you like to claim? Racial? Gender? Religious? All of the above?

[Confounded]

Speak to an accountant to find out how to create a UK subsidiary (which is how most foreign companies work).

Dear cojak,

Thank you for the links provided.

Could you please let me know why you are thinking about banning me? Have I in some way breached the rules of the forum?

We have already contacted several accountancy firms (including SJD). However, they all tell us that they only deal with UK-based contractors and that it will be near impossible for us to establish a UK Ltd as we have no ties in the UK. And this is why we have come to this forum, because there must be people out there who were in the same situation.

[cojak]

Dear TykeMerc,

I was not aware that the person who posted the original question to which I replied was banned.

If it helps, I can change my writing style to be more obnoxious and offensive, like that used by some users here. However, I fought that I am dealing with professional people here which requires a professional conduct, including writing style.

I am trying to decide whether to ban you or not, you are making my job easier.

If you want to work in the UK, look at Visa and Tax implications here :

https://www.gov.uk/browse/visas-immigration

Proposed tax changes for workers supplied by intermediaries are premature and unnecessary

Speak to an accountant to find out how to create a UK subsidiary (which is how most foreign companies work).

[Confounded]

I'm fairly sure that the "poster" we've both responded to is a group of people from the subcontinent after getting visa's sponsored (here's hoping that they fail abjectly on that front), that or it's yet another sockpuppet trying a stupid persona.
Both scenario's are far from new on CUK.

Dear TykeMerc,

You are correct in that we are a group of people - a group of consultants providing services.

Not sure what you mean by "the subcontinent" however.

Also, in my opinion, if a person is asking question, it doesn't make him "a stupid persona". On my part, I fail to understand why some people waste their time in posting unhelpful comments. In my opinion, if you have nothing constructive to say - it is better not to say anything.

[Confounded]

Cojak (who is a board mod) is concerned about you resurrecting old threads, created by banned trolls, as not only is there a large risk that they are no longer topical, but because there's a risk you're simply a reincarnation of the banned troll. your writing "style" was used by at least 1 banned troll in the past too.

Dear TykeMerc,

I was not aware that the person who posted the original question to which I replied was banned.

If it helps, I can change my writing style to be more obnoxious and offensive, like that used by some users here. However, I fought that I am dealing with professional people here which requires a professional conduct, including writing style.

[Confounded]

UK agency, ClientCo in UK = UK Ltd of Umbrella - End of story.
Why anyone in their right mind would be coming from EU mainland (bar perhaps The Netherlands) to a contract in the UK in the current climate, and then with the changes in APR16 & APR17 is beyond me.

Dear clearedforlanding,

Why do you say "end of story"? Surely there are plenty of companies without a UK base doing business in the UK?

The reason for looking for contracts in the UK is simple - higher rate than in our home country.

I am sorry, I do not know what APR16 and APR17 are.

[TykeMerc]

UK agency, ClientCo in UK = UK Ltd of Umbrella - End of story.
Why anyone in their right mind would be coming from EU mainland (bar perhaps The Netherlands) to a contract in the UK in the current climate, and then with the changes in APR16 & APR17 is beyond me.

I'm fairly sure that the "poster" we've both responded to is a group of people from the subcontinent after getting visa's sponsored (here's hoping that they fail abjectly on that front), that or it's yet another sockpuppet trying a stupid persona.
Both scenario's are far from new on CUK.

[clearedforlanding]

I am looking for people who can provide advice. If you are not able to do that, I would be grateful if you could abstain from making unhelpful comments. Thank you

UK agency, ClientCo in UK = UK Ltd of Umbrella - End of story.
Why anyone in their right mind would be coming from EU mainland (bar perhaps The Netherlands) to a contract in the UK in the current climate, and then with the changes in APR16 & APR17 is beyond me.

[TykeMerc]

Dear Milkyway,

Thank you for replying to my post. However, I get an impression that your comments and recommendations are disingenuous. Why would I want to bid for "Fake Network Engineer”? I am looking for people who can provide advice. If you are not able to do that, I would be grateful if you could abstain from making unhelpful comments. Thank you

As a start, to address your point, there is no discrimination going on here, an Agent or Client is completely entitled to decide who they will do business with. There are plenty of cases in the press of dodgy offshore tax avoidance and evasion schemes, it's a primary reason why the Agents won't touch offshore companies.
Many Agencies and Clients won't touch people needing visa's as they end up with possible problems with the Border Agency.

Cojak (who is a board mod) is concerned about you resurrecting old threads, created by banned trolls, as not only is there a large risk that they are no longer topical, but because there's a risk you're simply a reincarnation of the banned troll. your writing "style" was used by at least 1 banned troll in the past too.

[Confounded]

Directly contact Jobserve.co.uk or ComputerFutures, AustinFraser, et al.
There are loads of them who will gladly help...

Try bidding for this role, mentioned right here... http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...-engineer.html

Also why do you think you need to file a case against UK agencies? I thought Gideon was open to taking brown covers to open up the full UK to offshore?

Dear Milkyway,

Thank you for replying to my post. However, I get an impression that your comments and recommendations are disingenuous. Why would I want to bid for "Fake Network Engineer”? I am looking for people who can provide advice. If you are not able to do that, I would be grateful if you could abstain from making unhelpful comments. Thank you

[Milkyway]

Dear northernladuk,

Thank you for replying to my post. I am not sure, however, that I understand your comment above. Indeed we do not know how to operate in international markets. We are new to this. So far, accountancy firms that we have contacted (including recommended by you in one of your threads SJD) say they only operate with UK-based companies. So, we are reaching out to people who have been in the same situation. Thank you

Directly contact Jobserve.co.uk or ComputerFutures, AustinFraser, et al.
There are loads of them who will gladly help...

Try bidding for this role, mentioned right here... http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...-engineer.html

Also why do you think you need to file a case against UK agencies? I thought Gideon was open to taking brown covers to open up the full UK to offshore?

[Confounded]

because that company doesn't appear to know how to run properly and is asking random questions of banned posters on an internet board?

Dear northernladuk,

Thank you for replying to my post. I am not sure, however, that I understand your comment above. Indeed we do not know how to operate in international markets. We are new to this. So far, accountancy firms that we have contacted (including recommended by you in one of your threads SJD) say they only operate with UK-based companies. So, we are reaching out to people who have been in the same situation. Thank you

[Confounded]

I am getting irritated with your spamming of old threads.

State your situation and question IN A NEW THREAD and we will consider it.

But I can tell you straight away that it is not possible to sue an agency for not working with a non-UK company. They are simply doing business according to their own risk management.

Dear cojak,

Thank you for replying to my post and sorry if my posts have upset you. I am only trying to find people in a similar situation to ours who could share their experience. But by replying to old post I hope that the persons who posted the relevant question in the first place will get a notification that there is a new message on their thread and will come back with a reply. I thought that this was a preferred way of doing it, rather than opening a new thread.