Next steps on IR35 moot - it's a PSC ban that's the problem

[ChimpMaster]

Legislation isn't out yet. Of course they aren't budging. They don't even know for certain what the rules will be.

If you are a specialist someone is going to need it sometime badly enough to make an exception for you. Might not be for a year or two, and you may not be able to ride it out that long. I'm fortunate that I can keep busy with foreign clients, I've got the contacts to make that happen. I feel for the guys who don't have that.

I have opportunities abroad but I choose not to take them. I value my time with family and this is a conscious point I moved towards when I was a permie consultant in the past and being whored around the world by Professional Services teams.

So I will quit contracting and possibly even quit IT, which isn't ideal but I have been pushed into a corner by the government and I can't work to the extremes that they force us into.

[herman_g]

and what's all the billy big bolloks willy waving to do with the original topic?

Read the thread. I stated UK market was dead. All the crying on this thread and elsewhere in this forum is stating the very same thing.

I stated now is the time to get clear out of little Britain. Queue more crying that oh it's too hard to travel we need to all be permies again.

Back in 2000 (perhaps that's before your time) when the liberals implemented IR35 for the first time, this forum was crying in exactly the same way. February 18th that year, exactly 20 years ago tuesday this week, I accepted a role in Germany (a tulip place to work btw) and bundled up the wife and kid and sent them off to Poland so I could support them in the way they were accustomed.

That's what real contractors do.

Call it Billy big bollocks all you want. Do the same or go back to permiedom. Hell even quite familiar Dublin, where you wouldn't have to approach supermarket cashiers with "do you speak english", is booming and performing loads of work that has been moved over there due to brexit (and, soon, likely due to IR35).

[BR14]

Read the thread. I stated UK market was dead. All the crying on this thread and elsewhere in this forum is stating the very same thing.

I stated now is the time to get clear out of little Britain. Queue more crying that oh it's too hard to travel we need to all be permies again.

Back in 2000 (perhaps that's before your time) when the liberals implemented IR35 for the first time, this forum was crying in exactly the same way. February 18th that year, exactly 20 years ago tuesday this week, I accepted a role in Germany (a tulip place to work btw) and bundled up the wife and kid and sent them off to Poland so I could support them in the way they were accustomed.

That's what real contractors do.

Call it Billy big bollocks all you want. Do the same or go back to permiedom. Hell even quite familiar Dublin, where you wouldn't have to approach supermarket cashiers with "do you speak english", is booming and performing loads of work that has been moved over there due to brexit (and, soon, likely due to IR35).

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i've been about a bit, pal , but i don't brag about it.

[herman_g]

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i've been about a bit, pal , but i don't brag about it.

Yes of course "pal". Off to your permie interview now (and make sure you bill them a day for travel )!

(notice you deleted your "I'm so in demand" post about demanding a day's pay to travel to your interview just after I posted this).

[BigRed]

all good if you're single & have the freedom of roaming around working anywhere but spare a thought for the ones who have families

So go permie. Isn't contracting all about flexibility?

[herman_g]

So go permie. Isn't contracting all about flexibility?

Finally. A contractor shows up in the room!

[herman_g]

And, to add for the benefit of Mr. Soon-to-be-permie BR14:

At that time my wife travelled between Warsaw and France in order to supply her clothing boutiques (as I worked long-term German contracts).

We have always enjoyed being an international family and reaped the rewards. It didn't mean not having quality time with my daughter on weekends and holidays.

The above is in no way bragging. In order for my wife to supply her shops, she spent 26 or so hours each way on a bus to bring her merchandise back to Poland including spending 4-8 hours waiting at the external EU border of Germany-Poland. Until her shops could pay for her own airfare, she took the bus rather than eat into the family income.

It was hard work and sacrifice for her and hard work and sacrifice for me having arrived in Germany with less than 10 words of German in my vocabulary (I became quite fluent in 7 years) and manually translating specifications to 3:00 am using a German-English dictionary. But we both made it work and reaped the rewards.

All of this was hard work but available to anybody who does have the balls. My alternative would have been to leave contracting and become a permie. As a family, we all did what we had to do. My daughter would not have an MBA today (without been held back by student loans) if we did not make those sacrifices for what we saw as best for her future.

[vwdan]

[Stupidity]

So anybody who isn't willing to move or live abroad isn't cut out to be a contractor? My builder doesn't want to move abroad either, shall I tell him to pack his business in and get a permie job? The MD of my old place still lives in his hometown - I should let him know he's not cut out to be running millions of pounds worth of business.

What an absolute load of nonsense you've posted in this thread. Sort yourself out.

[herman_g]

So anybody who isn't willing to move or live abroad isn't cut out to be a contractor? My builder doesn't want to move abroad either, shall I tell him to pack his business in and get a permie job? The MD of my old place still lives in his hometown - I should let him know he's not cut out to be running millions of pounds worth of business.

What an absolute load of nonsense you've posted in this thread. Sort yourself out.

I would hope you are smart enough to know I am referring to IT contractors. Maybe not.

[dsc]

FFS can someone cut the last three pages out and bring this thread back on topic?