Are MSP also considered inside?

[PeterSim]

There is no 'think' about it but he won't listen. Even if he is right (cough) what does it matter?

What do you do for a living you sound like a right ****.

[northernladuk]

What do you do for a living you sound like a right ****.

You are right but not sure why that has anything to do with what I do for a living???

[cojak]

Obviously I know that IR35 doesn't apply to permanent employees. You are confusing matters.

The question is whether permanent staff of consultancies (or is I call them MSP/PSC) contracted out to clients on fixed term contracts will be included in the IR35 audit done so by clients. I can't make it any clearer.

Consultancies assign permanent employees on the basis of a Purchase Order. The consultancy employee performs the work, the consultancy invoices against the purchase order and the client pays the invoice.

What you are describing doesn't make sense to me. Your description is that a person is employed twice for the same piece of work, once by you and once by the client.

If that's the case, then the person is doubly not affected by IR35.

[cojak]

Obviously I know that IR35 doesn't apply to permanent employees. You are confusing matters.

The question is whether permanent staff of consultancies (or is I call them MSP/PSC) contracted out to clients on fixed term contracts will be included in the IR35 audit done so by clients. I can't make it any clearer.

For example BT has a permie staff member, BT pick up a role at a law firm doing software upgrades. They place said BT employee on site at the client for 35 hours a week, he is paid by BT. From the perspective of the internal direct employee IT staff of the law firm he is a contractor. Whether he is contracting through BT or his own limited company, there is no difference. So if they are not being included in IR35 then they should be. All I am saying.

Oh, so it's your opinion.

Well if that's all you're saying then that's OK 'cos it's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

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