I'm finding that the majority of contracts being advertised now are Outside IR35 contracts for my skill set. My skillset is predominantly around Azure Data Platforms (Azure Architecture, Dev, Big Data etc). I've gone through the government tool and it's saying I fall outside IR35 in any case, however, I'm wondering if this is a supply/demand outcome or if clients are genuinely clued up on the fact that I am not a BAU person, rather coming in to deliver a project and then leave.
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Most contracts being advertised as Outside IR35 - Azure/Cloud Consultant
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That's because agents want you to sign their contracts in order to keep their commissions rolling in.
They really don't care what happens to the client or you once you've signed up."I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
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Originally posted by NorthWestPerm2Contr View PostI'm finding that the majority of contracts being advertised now are Outside IR35 contracts for my skill set. My skillset is predominantly around Azure Data Platforms (Azure Architecture, Dev, Big Data etc). I've gone through the government tool and it's saying I fall outside IR35 in any case, however, I'm wondering if this is a supply/demand outcome or if clients are genuinely clued up on the fact that I am not a BAU person, rather coming in to deliver a project and then leave.
What have you run through the tool, your current contract or the way you would like to work/contract?
I'm not confident many clients really want a true contractor when push comes to shove.Comment
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Originally posted by Manic View PostIt actually says Outside, or do you mean it doesn't say inside?
What have you run through the tool, your current contract or the way you would like to work/contract?
I'm not confident many clients really want a true contractor when push comes to shove.Comment
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Originally posted by cojak View PostThat's because agents want you to sign their contracts in order to keep their commissions rolling in.
They really don't care what happens to the client or you once you've signed up.Comment
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Originally posted by NorthWestPerm2Contr View Posterm it's not up to them though. It's the end client that determines it."I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
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Originally posted by cojak View PostEventually.
Client: We are not taking the risk, make sure it's inside IR35 and we will increase the rate by 20p a day to make up for it
Agency comes back in 1 week: Nobody is willing to work like that, do you want to try permie or up your rate by 40%? Alternatively we can try IR35 engagement, means you have to bring in a true consultant
Client: Let's try Permie
Agency: No permies available with that skill set
Client: Ok fine! Outside IR35 it is then!Comment
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Originally posted by NorthWestPerm2Contr View PostSo this is my predicted scenario for high in demand skill sets:
Client: We are not taking the risk, make sure it's inside IR35 and we will increase the rate by 20p a day to make up for it
Agency comes back in 1 week: Nobody is willing to work like that, do you want to try permie or up your rate by 40%? Alternatively we can try IR35 engagement, means you have to bring in a true consultant
Client: Let's try Permie
Agency: No permies available with that skill set
Client: Ok fine! Outside IR35 it is then!
With so many roles going inside and this hitting us hard many more people will be taking inside and perm than you think so the need for a client to spend time and money going against their policies in the short term are going to be very few and far between.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostNot really. The determination is on the role. They can't just say outside IR35 if they can't fill it. The role is still inside. They may go back and re-assess the determination but that's only going to happen in pretty rare instances.
With so many roles going inside and this hitting us hard many more people will be taking inside and perm than you think so the need for a client to spend time and money going against their policies in the short term are going to be very few and far between.
Ok so roles clearly inside there is not much you can do. I'm talking about the instances where the client is just risk aversed.Comment
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Originally posted by NorthWestPerm2Contr View PostOk so roles clearly inside there is not much you can do. I'm talking about the instances where the client is just risk aversed.
Brrrrrr brrrr, brrrr brrr "Good Afternoon Tata Consulting"
Ah yes hello, "could you supply me with an Azure Consultant?"
"Oh yes sir, plenty cheapness"Last edited by Manic; 8 January 2020, 16:31.Comment
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