Locum doctors

[Andy Hallett]

I believe locums, nurses, teachers and social workers were squarely in the HMRC firing line in regard to inappropriate use of PSC structures.

I suspect most if not all locums will be caught.

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I believe locums, nurses, teachers and social workers were squarely in the HMRC firing line in regard to inappropriate use of PSC structures.

I suspect most if not all locums will be caught.

+1. I also suspect management and ministers feel that the tax incentives have encouraged people who would otherwise be working permanently to become locums instead...

Reality is that Drs will be like the rest of us, people not wanting the people management hassle you get from being someone senior in an office. They can just turn up spend 8-12 hours looking after patients and go home again. Yes there may be a take home pay cut for these workers but its not going to change how they work. The reality is that most "temporary" workers want the politics free live that being "temporary" provides.

[uyejyen]

+1. I also suspect management and ministers feel that the tax incentives have encouraged people who would otherwise be working permanently to become locum's instead...

Reality is that Drs will be like the rest of us, people not wanting the people management hassle you get from being someone senior in an office. They can just turn up spend 8-12 hours looking after patients and go home again. Yes there may be a take home pay cut for these workers but its not going to change how they work. The reality is that most "temporary" workers want the politics free live that being "temporary" provides.

100% this. I'm in a different field and have been declared outside IR35 by current client. If I genuinely couldn't operate outside of IR35 from now on, I'd suck it up and go PAYE rather than perm (although I'm more likely to pack it up and travel). I just want to be paid for what I actually put in. None of this staying late to impress nonsense that perms seem to be falling over eachother to do, hoping for a 0.5% rise following three appraisals...

[Andy Hallett]

100% this. I'm in a different field and have been declared outside IR35 by current client.

Out of interest, how did they get to that decision?

[b r]

Out of interest, how did they get to that decision?

Probably the same way my OH's clients did; sat with the agency and played with the tool until they got the result they wanted that corresponded with how the contracts were setup and how they could agree to their contractors working.

QED

[Andy Hallett]

Wondering whether HMRC will get more out of investigations or agencies falling foul of the GAAR arounf this!

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ti-abuse-rules

[Hawkesbaynz]

A forum user mentioned locum GPs may continue to fall outside IR35. I work as an Advanced Nurse Practitioner directly for GP practices & Private management companies (IMH & Virgin Assura). Rarely agencies. Similar employment terms as locum GPS I imagine (bar the pension!). As these as private businesses rather NHS Trusts would I be outside IR35?

Massive reduction in income when PAYE although hourly rate still good. Loss of pension/sick/leave is a big lump. Although with 30 years in the NHS the lack of hassle a massive reason for working in this manner.

[davetza]

This seems to indicate the BMA will be issuing guidance on this shortly and they are saying GP locums will not be affected.

https://twitter.com/clairedocdavies/...09326768775169

[northernladuk]

This seems to indicate the BMA will be issuing guidance on this shortly and they are saying GP locums will not be affected.

https://twitter.com/clairedocdavies/...09326768775169

You mean they will still be inside?

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You mean they will still be inside?

What it says is that it won't effect GP practices (which makes sense depending on how they answer my bug bear question - I suspect however they are answering it wrongly). It doesn't however mention hospitals....