IPSE have sent an email out

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Public Sector contractor? Prepare for changes

Not bad but I don't think the advice to get new contract terms is anywhere near strong enough - I suspect everyone who remains in a contract after April to be targeted by HMRC and a new contract no matter how lovely it feels won't stop the initial letters going out...

[LondonManc]

The damning section:

"We requested that HMRC declare an amnesty on contracts which transit to the new tax arrangements in April. Unfortunately this request was refused."

Even if they could have qualified it with an amnesty on contracts that use the standard salary + dividends route then it would have been something. Commercial suicide for the public sector.

[eek]

The damning section:

"We requested that HMRC declare an amnesty on contracts which transit to the new tax arrangements in April. Unfortunately this request was refused."

Even if they could have qualified it with an amnesty on contracts that use the standard salary + dividends route then it would have been something. Commercial suicide for the public sector.

And they wonder why hmrc see them as representing tax Dodgers. It's worth repeating that this has been in motion for years

Agency reporting requirements
Travel expenses for umbrellas
Now this

All planned in step to ensure there is a dataset to target - and they were surprised when hmrc said no to their request. Nice of them to give senior hmrc people the idea to look at people retrospectively though. Means that it can't be quietly dropped

[LondonManc]

And they wonder why hmrc see them as representing tax Dodgers. It's worth repeating that this has been in motion for years

Agency reporting requirements
Travel expenses for umbrellas
Now this

All planned in step to ensure there is a dataset to target - and they were surprised when hmrc said no to their request. Nice of them to give senior hmrc peoplebthe idea to look at people retrospectively though. Means that it can't be quietly dropped

Or that it's a major bargaining chip (for exemption). That said, most on the list probably won't know what it means anyway and will presume their agency will look after them.

[teapot418]

All planned in step to ensure there is a dataset to target - and they were surprised when hmrc said no to their request. Nice of them to give senior hmrc peoplebthe idea to look at people retrospectively though. Means that it can't be quietly dropped

Where does it say they were surprised?

I don't think HMRC needed any prompting - you yourself have said you've known they've had the 'idea' for a long time.

[difficulttimes]

Thanks for sharing..I had to read it twice to properly digest it as it was quite a strongly worded email from an industry body.
I will be sharing it with my contractor buddies tomorrow. I've already let them know that I'm walking as I've got no faith that the PS end client will treat us fairly.

Once people read this everyone will be going. No-one would stay now.

Eek - I will walk away with my tail between my legs.

P.S I do wonder if IPSE have put the retrospective bit in there as they want people to vote with their feet so as such the public sector will come to a halt so people will finally realise the benefit that we bring and the realisation that there is no public services without the lone contractor.

[Whorty]

P.S I do wonder if IPSE have put the retrospective bit in there as they want people to vote with their feet so as such the public sector will come to a halt so people will finally realise the benefit that we bring and the realisation that there is no public services without the lone contractor.

/\ This ... a passive, aggressive approach.

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Thanks for sharing..I had to read it twice to properly digest it as it was quite a strongly worded email from an industry body.
I will be sharing it with my contractor buddies tomorrow. I've already let them know that I'm walking as I've got no faith that the PS end client will treat us fairly.

Once people read this everyone will be going. No-one would stay now.

Eek - I will walk away with my tail between my legs.

P.S I do wonder if IPSE have put the retrospective bit in there as they want people to vote with their feet so as such the public sector will come to a halt so people will finally realise the benefit that we bring and the realisation that there is no public services without the lone contractor.

No its because general sentiment has changed at IPSE from December when everyone was saying not a chance to now when they can see how things are going (especially since HMRC have outright refused to deny it).

The only thing I will highlight and I know that IPSE can't say it - you don't need a new contract for April onwards, you need a new contract via a new agency, probably at a new department before April. Going in February / March is fine as the retrospective period is minimal but if you've been there 6+ months the bill is going to be fairly large if HMRC come knocking...

[teapot418]

No its because general sentiment has changed at IPSE from December when everyone was saying not a chance to now when they can see how things are going (especially since HMRC have outright refused to deny it).

I honestly don't remember seeing that from IPSE - can you point me at a link? I remember a strongly worded post on their forum from the boss giving his personal opinion (I won't repeat here because of their forum Ts&Cs), but no official comment on retrospection. I can't see why they would have ruled it out unless HMRC confirmed an amnesty, which realistically was never likely to happen.

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I honestly don't remember seeing that from IPSE - can you point me at a link? I remember a strongly worded post on their forum from the boss giving his personal opinion (I won't repeat here because of their forum Ts&Cs), but no official comment on retrospection. I can't see why they would have ruled it out unless HMRC confirmed an amnesty, which realistically was never likely to happen.

You can probably find the links on here as much as on there. Look for when I first started talking about retrospective claims in early December.