Results of the public sector consultation is up

[difficulttimes]

So we are a business that pays tax like an employee and then we get a p45? Am I the only one baffled ?

And you are not considered to have any employment rights as it states.
With some incorrect dates and the dodgiest flow charts I've ever seen I wonder if they must think that they can do what they want. No-one is accountable to us... I look forward to the first tribunal case

[eek]

So we are a business that pays tax like an employee and then we get a p45? Am I the only one baffled ?

The point is these people should be employees (even if on a temporary fixed term basis) and I suspect this is designed to ensure that is the case....

[SueEllen]

And you are not considered to have any employment rights as it states.
With some incorrect dates and the dodgiest flow charts I've ever seen I wonder if they must think that they can do what they want. No-one is accountable to us... I look forward to the first tribunal case

Where is the link so I can put in a contribution to it?

[SueEllen]

The point is these people should be employees (even if on a temporary fixed term basis) and I suspect this is designed to ensure that is the case....

But departments deliberately don't take on people as employees so they aren't lumbered with their pension responsibilities, and if they take them on as temps for too long the unions kick up a fuss.

[jamesbrown]

The point is these people should be employees (even if on a temporary fixed term basis) and I suspect this is designed to ensure that is the case....

According to the consultation, that was explicitly not the case. It was a clear have/eat cake strategy. Afterall, it would be much easier (for "employees") if employment were mandated (e.g. FTC) on the outcome of the ESI.

[eek]

Where is the link so I can put in a contribution to it?

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...technical-note

enjoy yourself. They are incomplete clearly missing words in some places and utterly insane.

As I said in a post above, you will need to determine status before I go near a contract and if its inside the odds of me taking it are zero. Now fixed term with all income directed into a final salary pension scheme with 5 days wfh and I may change my mind...

[seeourbee]

Results of the public sector consultation is up

In another discussion we established the main and only reason for them doing this is to get more emplyERs NI. So why not skip all this crap and just ask the employer to pay NI on contractors ? Surely that's more simple ?

[eek]

But departments deliberately don't take on people as employees so they aren't lumbered with their pension responsibilities, and if they take them on as temps for too long the unions kick up a fuss.

Which is why the fun bit is going to be the tribunals. Agency regulations say that you have to be treated as if you were an employee after 12 weeks (assuming you haven't opted out), Equalities act means that you have to pay people doing the same work equally..

[eek]

Looking at this example https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...e-ministry.pdf can I ask WTFFFFFFFF (the amount of F's is accurate) that person is doing working via a limited company....

[seeourbee]

If we all close our companies (I will) then HMRC loses all that VAT. Don't they care ?