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Finance Bill Committee - Accelerated Payment Legislation

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    #31
    For those who have yet to meet their MP, here can be found a little helpsheet with points to mention.
    https://www.dotas-scandal.org/helpsheet/

    www.dotas-scandal.org
    Help preserve the right to be a contractor in the UK

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      #32
      Enforcement of AP

      Anyone who is likely to be unable to pay, if they receive accelerated payment notices, should have a read of this FOI response from HM Treasury.

      https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...1%20151905.pdf

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        #33
        Seems every response always get a lengthy prelude about the commitment to clamp down on avoidance, the incredible success it's already been and the seemingly overwhelming victories in the courts by HMRC, before actually answering the question. So despite the fact no proof of wrongdoing has been established under usual principles the disputed tax is treated as a debt and therefore bankruptcy ensues for many. This just shows it up for what it is.........

        Quite why it needed a FOI request to get transparency on their intent..........can't squeeze blood out of a stone though.
        Last edited by TheDandy; 23 May 2014, 17:16.

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          #34
          whatdotheyknow

          I am going to ask how many the enquiries HMRC take to court and how many stay open for 2,3,4 and 5 years without going to court

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            #35
            Originally posted by varunksingh View Post
            I am going to ask how many the enquiries HMRC take to court and how many stay open for 2,3,4 and 5 years without going to court
            You need to be extremely careful how you frame your request.

            HMRC are incredibly slippery. They will use any old excuse not to provide information. One of their favourites is "it will cost too much". There is a £600 / 3 man-day limit under the Freedom of Information Act.

            Unlike the Treasury, they don't care about deliberately flouting the FOI law. Here is an example where they've gone over the 20-day statutory time limit.
            https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...t_and_bankrupt

            I guarantee you will be tearing your hair out in frustration with HM Robbers & Crooks.
            Last edited by DonkeyRhubarb; 24 May 2014, 11:14. Reason: Language, Timothy...

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              #36
              I think anyone that pays up is making a big mistake. Everyone needs to band together & tackle this collectively.

              I've also been informed that HMRC don't normally pursue people through to bankruptcy. Is this correct?

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                #37
                Originally posted by bandemelbs View Post
                I think anyone that pays up is making a big mistake. Everyone needs to band together & tackle this collectively.

                I've also been informed that HMRC don't normally pursue people through to bankruptcy. Is this correct?
                Quite the contrary. HMRC happily pursue people through to Bankruptcy court even in cases where there no apparent benefit to either side.

                However, I have spoken to Bankruptcy specialists who question if a Bankruptcy Court would be comfortable bankrupting an individual against an APN or Follower Notice based on a case that has not been proved in a court. Even more so, given that HMRC lose 20% of the cases they do bring (and they don't bring them all!).
                A lot of schemes were, at the time, effective. The effectiveness of an individuals scheme can only be ascertained by the relevant tax court, so there is a very real danger that individuals will be pursued to bankruptcy even when the have a defensible position

                As for banding together, it depends on which scheme you are associated with, both Sanzar and Edge have something on the go. Look at those threads.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by bandemelbs View Post
                  I think anyone that pays up is making a big mistake. Everyone needs to band together & tackle this collectively.

                  I've also been informed that HMRC don't normally pursue people through to bankruptcy. Is this correct?
                  A scheme promoter/operator didn't tell you that by any chance!

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by jbryce View Post
                    As for banding together, it depends on which scheme you are associated with, both Sanzar and Edge have something on the go. Look at those threads.
                    And the others (TRM does as well I believe).

                    People will PM you details if you post in the relevent thread.
                    "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
                    - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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                      #40
                      Finance Bill Committee - Accelerated Payment Legislation

                      Originally posted by TheDandy View Post
                      A scheme promoter/operator didn't tell you that by any chance!
                      I don't know about others but have not seen any case that proves EBT with loans illegal. All eyes on Rangers case!

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