Hoey - Court of Appeal legal fees

[eek]

Sure, that sounds reasonable to me also; that's my point, I've got nothing to do with Hoey, I don't know about it or have any opinion on it at all.

I got involved in this insane farce simply to say I'd had a bad experience with BG/WTT and Phil Manley, both of whom I found via this forum and both of whom I paid money to and I'm not happy with the service received from either. I'm not going to go over it all again, I've said my thoughts on them both.

Somehow now I'm being accused of being a mate and/or crony of Saleos (I don't know the man), asking for money (I have zero interest in Hoey, not affected one iota), using lies, fake promises and careful omissions etc. and being told I've said things I haven't.

I am literally just an ex-contractor warning others of my experience *, go check all my posts and you will see there is nothing more sinister than that. I'm not sure how I've managed to get myself embroiled in this madness. But really eek is mad.

* EDIT - because they are recommended on here and I trusted that recommendation myself

EDIT2 - I stand by all my comments as being real and truthful.

Well firstly given that you joined in the attacking Big Group game as everyone else did I'm sorry that I tagged you with the same motive with the others had (and grouped you with them) when you joined in their attacks on Big Group.

But given that you have twice spent money with people who have failed to deliver what you think they promised you, I hope you can see why I'm loathed to recommend any scheme or campaign as a solution to anything and why I'm so anti this fundraising.

[lowpaidworker]

Sure, that sounds reasonable to me also; that's my point, I've got nothing to do with Hoey, I don't know about it or have any opinion on it at all.

I got involved in this insane farce simply to say I'd had a bad experience with BG/WTT and Phil Manley, both of whom I found via this forum and both of whom I paid money to and I'm not happy with the service received from either. I'm not going to go over it all again, I've said my thoughts on them both.

Somehow now I'm being accused of being a mate and/or crony of Saleos (I don't know the man), asking for money (I have zero interest in Hoey, not affected one iota), using lies, fake promises and careful omissions etc. and being told I've said things I haven't.

I am literally just an ex-contractor warning others of my experience *, go check all my posts and you will see there is nothing more sinister than that. I'm not sure how I've managed to get myself embroiled in this madness. But really eek is mad.

* EDIT - because they are recommended on here and I trusted that recommendation myself

EDIT2 - I stand by all my comments as being real and truthful.

exactly same as me a real impacted contractor

[starstruck]

To be fair, I think eek's criticism of asking for donations, for something that might not happen, isn't without validity.

Sure, that sounds reasonable to me also; that's my point, I've got nothing to do with Hoey, I don't know about it or have any opinion on it at all.

I got involved in this insane farce simply to say I'd had a bad experience with BG/WTT and Phil Manley, both of whom I found via this forum and both of whom I paid money to and I'm not happy with the service received from either. I'm not going to go over it all again, I've said my thoughts on them both.

Somehow now I'm being accused of being a mate and/or crony of Saleos (I don't know the man), asking for money (I have zero interest in Hoey, not affected one iota), using lies, fake promises and careful omissions etc. and being told I've said things I haven't.

I am literally just an ex-contractor warning others of my experience *, go check all my posts and you will see there is nothing more sinister than that. I'm not sure how I've managed to get myself embroiled in this madness. But really eek is mad.

* EDIT - because they are recommended on here and I trusted that recommendation myself

EDIT2 - I stand by all my comments as being real and truthful.

[lowpaidworker]

this thread is joke. I am so neutral you would not believe it. I am up too my eyes in phone calls with HMRC trying to settle and the fence I sit on is wider than my grandma's arse.

EEK you have made your point and whilst I accept you get people (whom I have no idea who they are or whos side they are batting) try and undermine you, I think sometimes less is more. I beginning to think you have some skin in the game and a phrase used often on here which you consistently say you don't. You appear to argue like a little kid at school that wants to make a point. You have made it so many times my humble opinion is the people that should be interested are not.

The real issue and point of this thread is about a contribution to the Hoey appeal. Firstly and most importantly is its voluntary and no one is being forced to. Secondly the critique of Webberg/WTT or Saleous is wrong and I personally ignore it. Those that are fully paid up members of WTT (I am not) can make their own assumptions about value for money. I for one could not afford this. Maybe I need to pay for a tax advisor but I need one to help me settle rather than litigate. I need closure not another 2/3 years or more and more money fighting for what seems to me be a totally fruitful exercise, but that's my own opinion. I would love to see HMRC get a bloody nose but not one person or company has convinced me they have the punch power.

I think its about time this site actually forced people to declare their interest or background. Webberg and Saleous are clear they are operating in an advisory capacity. So either you a contractor impacted, an advisor or moderator. If none of these you here to clearly here to stir it up or you're just an HMRC plant to help divide and conquer.

[eek]

To be fair, I think eek's criticism of asking for donations, for something that might not happen, isn't without validity.

Personally, I wouldn't have done that. I would have waited until an appeal needed to be made, even though this wouldn't have left that much time to raise the funds.

I wouldn't even be that awkward. I would be very happy for them to be asking for names and highlighting the fact money would be required some point in the future. Heck if it was an argument I liked (I far prefer where Lancashire won than Hoey) I would probably be paying some money towards it myself but asking for money when the release of the judgment could be a year away seems too much.

[eek]

I stand corrected, the Hoey FTT has published but not the UTT which is awaited. But your beligerence doesnt alter the fact the next step in the legal process will cost money.

Which is fine

And it's fine that people ask on the forums where the people who may be impacted may visit (although most left years ago and what this forum is now full of is loan charge or even later schemes).

What isn't fine is attacking the organisation that a lot of people are currently a member of (Big Group) when asking for that money - as it doesn't work as an approach and it just wasn't necessary.

but the thing is this should could all have been explained in a few paragraphs

This is to raise money for the subsequent appeal of the Hoey.... v Revenue and Customs UTT.

Hoey won on x, which means y and z and consequently...

For the appeal to occur leave to appeal most be asked for and this will cost..

My issue here are 3 fold:-

1) people have made assumptions that people already have a significant level of knowledge and that really isn't the case. Most Big Group members will be paying £15 a month as it's a trade off between money and thinking and the money is so small they won't miss it.
2) people are asking for money too early
3) attacking people on here because you don't like them isn't appropriate - by attacking webberg and then refusing to replace the work he willingly did here you really haven't helped your cause.

[DealorNoDeal]

To be fair, I think eek's criticism of asking for donations, for something that might not happen, isn't without validity.

Personally, I wouldn't have done that. I would have waited until an appeal needed to be made, even though this wouldn't have left that much time to raise the funds.

[TheDogsNads]

Has it as I can't see it on BAILII - United Kingdom Upper Tribunal (Tax and Chancery Chamber) beginning with H and the reason I'm asking the question is that it took over 15 months for Lancashire's judgment to be released.

I stand corrected, the Hoey FTT has published but not the UTT which is awaited. But your beligerence doesnt alter the fact the next step in the legal process will cost money.

[starstruck]

I'm wondering if all the sensible people on here who are balanced and normal should just stop engaging with the troll. For every ridiculous claim he makes, people try to answer with reasonable answers, which he then twists and the cycle goes on and on. The more engagement he gets the more ridiculous claims he makes.

He won't stop, he can't, he's not normal. It's why he keeps accusing people of creating new threads when it's him doing it, he's the one who created the tax advisors thread because the other thread was closed.

He can't let anything go or even see other people's point of view, He will always feel the need to have the last word. He should be ignored, this is achieving nothing and helping nobody.

[eek]

Dear Lord, you're just making yourself out to look foolish now! What are you babbling on about?

The Hoey UTT has been published. They are going for Leave to appeal at the Court of Appeal. Any similar appeal in the UTT works does not impact the Court of Appeal action.

Has it as I can't see it on BAILII - United Kingdom Upper Tribunal (Tax and Chancery Chamber) beginning with H and the reason I'm asking the question is that it took over 15 months for Lancashire's judgment to be released.