Mod edit: Joining instructions.
This started elsewhere but should be on its own.
I have two takers so far.
To clarify this BIG GROUP is ONE GROUP across ALL schemes.
It does not impact action individuals may wish to take on their own or via other groups.
Let's indulge in some speculation.
A group is formed.
It decides that there are perhaps 4 scheme "types" that are potentially caught by HMRC's present interpretations.
It knows that HMRC is not prepared to be sensible in settlement and therefore the only strategy is to defend a number of cases at Tribunal in the hope that a less than 100% victory for HMRC will force them to the table.
The group also defends to extent possible, APN claims and other spurious attempts from the agency to extract funds. This is on the basis that civil disobedience and tying up HMRC resource is an effective strategy.
That may require 5 years.
We'll allow 4 full time staff (admin/website/etc) and a panel of experts. Accommodation, telephone etc. Say £200,000 a year tops. So £1m over 5 years.
"Experts" budget perhaps £1.5m over that period. That's pretty much one average (in terms of charge out rate) tax specialist full time for 5 years.
So £2.5m over 5 years. Let's say £3m.
If the cost per individual was £10 a month for 60 months, how many are needed?
£3m/60/£10 = 5,000 people.
How many contractors impacted?
I don't know. If 100,000, then we're looking at 5% membership.
To get to that value requires some form of advertising campaign and that in turn requires some seed funding.
There are "litigation funders" out there. They work by advancing legal costs in return for a cut of a "win".
They might be interested. More likely something like this forum could run a pre funding group and effectively put up initial funds.
I reckon perhaps £25,000 to run the ads and initial letter/email/website stuff.
How many people here?
500? That's £50 each.
So the deal is:
Put up £50. Put up some of your undoubted IT expertise. Hire a temporary project director (on a contract). Ask for volunteers for a steering group (I'd be interested). Elect/appoint a steering committee.
Spend the initial money over 6 months and see what the response is and re-evaluate.
If this is a "go", membership is £10 a month for 60 months (perhaps less/more). Alternatively pay £500 day 1 and then nothing until month 61.
Make sure to get anybody who is willing from NTRT. Make sure to include some PR.
Anybody?
This started elsewhere but should be on its own.
I have two takers so far.
To clarify this BIG GROUP is ONE GROUP across ALL schemes.
It does not impact action individuals may wish to take on their own or via other groups.
Let's indulge in some speculation.
A group is formed.
It decides that there are perhaps 4 scheme "types" that are potentially caught by HMRC's present interpretations.
It knows that HMRC is not prepared to be sensible in settlement and therefore the only strategy is to defend a number of cases at Tribunal in the hope that a less than 100% victory for HMRC will force them to the table.
The group also defends to extent possible, APN claims and other spurious attempts from the agency to extract funds. This is on the basis that civil disobedience and tying up HMRC resource is an effective strategy.
That may require 5 years.
We'll allow 4 full time staff (admin/website/etc) and a panel of experts. Accommodation, telephone etc. Say £200,000 a year tops. So £1m over 5 years.
"Experts" budget perhaps £1.5m over that period. That's pretty much one average (in terms of charge out rate) tax specialist full time for 5 years.
So £2.5m over 5 years. Let's say £3m.
If the cost per individual was £10 a month for 60 months, how many are needed?
£3m/60/£10 = 5,000 people.
How many contractors impacted?
I don't know. If 100,000, then we're looking at 5% membership.
To get to that value requires some form of advertising campaign and that in turn requires some seed funding.
There are "litigation funders" out there. They work by advancing legal costs in return for a cut of a "win".
They might be interested. More likely something like this forum could run a pre funding group and effectively put up initial funds.
I reckon perhaps £25,000 to run the ads and initial letter/email/website stuff.
How many people here?
500? That's £50 each.
So the deal is:
Put up £50. Put up some of your undoubted IT expertise. Hire a temporary project director (on a contract). Ask for volunteers for a steering group (I'd be interested). Elect/appoint a steering committee.
Spend the initial money over 6 months and see what the response is and re-evaluate.
If this is a "go", membership is £10 a month for 60 months (perhaps less/more). Alternatively pay £500 day 1 and then nothing until month 61.
Make sure to get anybody who is willing from NTRT. Make sure to include some PR.
Anybody?
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